These same folks would have rallied for Hitler in WWII

spasibo za eto. very interesting. i had a very similar experience with the islamo thugs in a chicago pro-hezbolla rally 2 weeks ago.

Please don't pull stunts like you did with the flyers. It really made you look like a provactive jerk. Please keep the moral highground, otherwise it's hard to feel sorry for you when people start yelling at you or spitting on you. I say this with deepest sympathy towards your position and antipathy towards the protestors'.

Yep! Gobs Of Tolerance in Boston.
I came here for college (studying Theater) in '77, stayed for a job, and another job, et cetera. As a conservative in the Arts in this town, I can't say that I'm much surprised.

You folks have got spine, all they got is mouth.

Mike, if you can equate taking an extra flyer with being spat upon, assaulted, and threatened...

Words fail me.

Seva, you're the man!! Great job!!!

well done! the interlocutor is very able.

Mike,

"People with courage and character always seem sinister to the rest."

-- Herman Hesse

bondservant: "These same folks would have rallied for Hitler in WWII"

Actually, the blind nationalistic fevor that seems to be manifesting itself by Jews behind whatever Israel deems is necessary is rather similar to the situation in Germany during WWII you know. Overlooking things like slaughter of innocent civilians, redefining what's acceptable in war, use of banned weapons.. Yet here another attempt to stir up other protesters is documented.

Also: the national lawyers guild legal observer - she "assaulted" one of the protesters. It's on the 2nd video at about 55 seconds in: she pushes him about a metre or two backwards for no reason other than he was shouting and protesting at an organised event. Any explannation as to why she wasn't charged, given that Seva in the past has been quite quick to run to the police? Surely since you have the video evidence you'd be reporting this to the authorities?

Not that he ran off to complain to the police about it (a la Seva last time with his alleged "assault" that he's never explained what it was). Funny how this time there's no allegation of assault because it's harder to make up stuff with so many witnesses..

Quote from witless supporter of Zionism: "together, we must crash them until they'll destroy us."

A real Einstein that one.

Wow. I'm really impressed with how calm and collected you stayed in the face of that hateful crowd. It is terrible that there were so few pro-Civilization compared with the pro-Barbarian crowd.

I am very pleased that even in crazy Lefty San Francisco, the pro-Civ crowds have been at least as large as the pro-Bar contingents.

Great work. Stay safe.

Thanks,

Joe

Are these people Americans?

"I am very pleased that even in crazy Lefty San Francisco, the pro-Civ crowds have been at least as large as the pro-Bar contingents."

Is this code language for "I'm an identity politics stooge"?

As a Urainian American and non-Jew let me express my deepest gratitude for your reports. People need to understand what is really going on in the world and also know that what Isreal is going thru can just as easily happen here but the missles will be coming from within. Occupation did not cause 9/11.

Wake up!

-M

That should be Ukrainian... I am up to late!

thanks again,

-M

Wow Seva, you are really brave, some may say crazy-brave...I am really glad you show these people for the hypocrites they are. Under the banner of "peace" they justify killing Jews in any way possible. Try to arrange a larger group next time and show them how much we Americans support Israel.

Tanya says: "Under the banner of "peace" they justify killing Jews in any way possible."

What?!??

2+2=[artist formerly known as Prince]

Please explain how the protestors "justify killing Jews in any way possible."

...

Without hyperventilating, please.

"Please don't pull stunts like you did with the flyers. It really made you look like a provactive jerk. Please keep the moral highground, otherwise it's hard to feel sorry for you when people start yelling at you or spitting on you. I say this with deepest sympathy towards your position and antipathy towards the protestors."

Dear Mike,

The reason I went to pick up the flyers was NOT to provoke them -- I didn't know that woman would show up there as well, and until she did, it was all quite civilized -- I was picking up the flyers so as to find out from their printed materials what they were up to next, nothing more, nothing less -- I always do that at enemy events.

So, please do not ascribe faults to others without first asking what it was all about -- projecting one's own notions or tossing wrong conclusions and accusations unto others is generally not a good idea. I don't mean to be riding the high horse -- just wanted to set the record straight. Be well.

"Funny how this time there's no allegation of assault because it's harder to make up stuff with so many witnesses.."

Oh, it's my dear nemesis ChillWinston -- welcome back, pal. Well, see now, brain, there were thirteen of us there this time, not just me alone, so we could not be so easily pushed around. Also, the authorities have been put on notice.

The cops were now telling the protesters that we the counter-protesters did have the right to make pictures and videos, and it was just tough if they didn't like that -- if you want to demonstrate publicly, then you'd better be prepared to have your mugshots taken. Don't like that? Don't demonstrate, duh ...

And if that red-haired and rather vocal 17-year-old "protester" (how about just teenage bully and bored scum?) didn't like being pushed by the observer, then I suppose he could have complained to the authorities. What, do you seriously expect me to defend civil rights of everyone, including my enemies? Get real, chilly winnie.

"Seva last time with his alleged 'assault' that he's never explained what it was" -- hmmm, I thought I explained it to you, chilled wiener, and rather thoroughly, too.

Well, since we have established already just how slow you were in the first installment of this multi-part saga -- that's right, to be continued, you can count on it, I am beginning to like it -- I'll be generous and patient with you once again, my prior request for you to "be gone" notwithstanding, and I'll try to run it by you again, e-v-e-r s-o s-l-o-w-l-y :

Grabbing a person by the arm is assault and battery. Grabbing one's camera (see the video) is assault and battery. Trying to break one's camera is a whole number of crimes -- violation of my person, my property, and my civil rights -- all of these being punishable criminal offenses.

So which part of "assault" don't you understand, brain?

Common, brave chilled whino, give me your name and contact info -- you have mine, after all -- don't you want to feel like a real mensch? Don't be such chicken shit, you valiant warrior for truth and justice. Fight like a man, why don't you? Or just crawl back into your dark hole in the ground where you belong. Go, git, scram, beat it, you insignificant little twirp. Or get in touch with me personally, you hero you.

"Quote from witless supporter of Zionism: 'together, we must crash them until they'll destroy us.' A real Einstein that one."

Bad Beacon, really bad! How insensitive of you! Have you no shame? The author of that line guy is not a native English speaker, he came here as an adult, and you make fun of his English? And after that you call yourself a liberal? Shame on you! I thought the gist of his message was quite clear: the working-class Mikes get it, while you morons don't. Nor does much of the coastal academia -- be it West, or Northeast.

"It is terrible that there were so few pro-Civilization compared with the pro-Barbarian crowd. I am very pleased that even in crazy Lefty San Francisco, the pro-Civ crowds have been at least as large as the pro-Bar contingents."

Dear Joe Libson -- now there is a brave man, all you "liberal" wussies barking from behind dark corners -- this man gives his real name for a change:

This here place is a different planet. Abandon common sense all ye who enter here ... See, Joe, problem is that Boston is a big college town -- half the population is either students or professors. This contributes to the radicalization of much of the population, which hardly represents the country as a whole.

That guy Mike is an exception to the general rule. Increasingly, I find, as I talk to more people on the street, that the working stiffs get it quite well, they see through much of the b.s. that's being fed to them by the radicals -- their reason and common sense have not been obfuscated by years of obscure research high up in those "ivory towers of sand" (to borrow a book title) that we got here a dime a dozen.

The longer I live, the more I discover to my amazement that there seems to be an inverse correlation between the amount of education and common sense. Strange, but apparently true, as empirical data would seem to point out.

"The longer I live, the more I discover to my amazement that there seems to be an inverse correlation between the amount of education and common sense. Strange, but apparently true, as empirical data would seem to point out."

Ahhhhh, got it. And your version of common sense would have it that the stuff they show on TV/newspapers/etc. (like children with Hezbollah paraphernelia, etc. etc.) are reflective of everyday life in the Middle East.

And according to your version of common sense, well over one billion people (Muslims) worldwide are hellbent on destroying capital-C Civilization As We Know It (TM), because their holy book tells them to.

Furthermore, the moderate ones (because their are only two types of Muslims, dontchaknow) are just ignorant about their religion because they, like, totally don't even understand their holy book (as "interpreted" by Reverend Nutcase & co). Humble Common Sense "Folks" like "Mike" and yourself (especially you, Seva, you Salt-of-the-Earth humblepie, blue-collar cosmopolitan, you) know what Islam is "really about", especially since you're both so well-versed in Classical Arabic (as opposed to those naive moderate Muslims) and have actually read the Quran cover to cover, not to mention running knowledge of Hadith and Fiqh.

Common sense, according to Seva Brodsky, would have it that Martin Kramer and other M.E.Forum/think-tank hacks tell it like it is, while "obscure research" conducted by American academia doesn't stand up to close scrutiny.

I'll stick to "radical academia" any day of the week, thank you very much.

Just love the earrings on the lil' red head b*tch boy, did he steal them from mommy's jewelry box?.
He'd be prime meat at the Hezbollah training camp's
shower room !

"Just love the earrings on the lil' red head b*tch boy, did he steal them from mommy's jewelry box?.
He'd be prime meat at the Hezbollah training camp's
shower room !
#20 Posted by: memoryleak at August 3, 2006 05:18 AM"

If you're creative enough, you can make your percieved enemies as big and bad as you want. Unfortunately, reality just doesn't budge. No worries, though, you can always climb back down to the echo chamber.

You're very brave. It's easy for these people to attack the U.S. and Israel because they know that nothing will happen to them. Notice how silent some of them got when the camera isolated them. Keep up the good work.

Arab/Muslim supremecists believe that only Arabs/Muslims can live in the Middle East.

Yet Arab/Muslims flock to Europe and expect to be given rights THEY DENY NON-Arab/Muslims in their Middle East home countries.

Saudi Arabia only permits Muslims to be citizens of Saudi Arabia and bans the practice of any other religion in Saudi Arabia.

Are there any Christian churches in Saudi Arabia? No.

Arab/Muslims want to ETHNICLY CLEANSE the Middle East of non-Arabs, non-Muslims.

Muslims massacred the Christian Lebanese town of Damour in 1976.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damour_massacre

If Canada permitted a terrorist militia to attack the US, you would correctly expect the US to attack the militia AND Canada to prevent rearming of the terrorist militia.

Israel pulled out of Lebanon in 2000 - so why does Lebanon permit a terrorist entity to control its southern area?

Seva:
You finally admitted last time that you are keen for a fight with people. I still think that your methods are nothing more than antagonistic and you walk away disappointed if you can't pain the entire protrest group as violent.

You description of assault if that's what happened: grow some backbone! Since you're trying to imply I am somehow spineless because I'm not plastering my name and phone number around..?? What kind of pussy are you to make threats FIRST (proof was in your first video on the earlier post) then have someone jostle you, then run to the cops over no physical injury THEN run back to try and incite more violence (and then blog like you were grieviously harmed). So yes you were "technically" assaulted, but only a complete wimp would try and press charges over something like that. Perhaps if you were just as upset about CHILDREN KILLED BY ISRAEL as your oh-so-horrific non existant "assault and battery" you might be joining the people chanting "stop the war" instead of trying to sh*t stir again.

q1 - Was the green shirted woman there on your request and as part of your protest-against-protesters group? I know she was an "observer", but she appeared to be there for your group and the pushing the guy out of the way (I mean the "assault and battery and violation of civil rights" she committed on one of the protesters) seemed completely unprovoked. I don't see any mention of that in your account.

Also:

Q2 - do you absolutely support everything Israel does? As you seem to be going out of your way to try and paint everyone in the protest who are against the war as evil and (strangely) must be islamic?? Even the deaths of some 500 civilians on the palestinian side (with 50 or so on the Israeli side).

How about:
Q3 - Is a palestinian life worth less than an israeli one? Or is Jewish life greater/more important than others? As after all your belief dictates that Jewish race is the chosen ones and all others are going to be sent to hell, similar to christians and scientologists etc etc.

"The longer I live, the more I discover to my amazement that there seems to be an inverse correlation between the amount of education and common sense."
No, the longer you live the more you'll find that your views are perhaps out of touch with reality. That and any educated, worldly person would have questions about what Israel is doing in the middle east and why blindly supporting whatever atrocities they commit is morally questionable. But I'm guessing that the concept of intelligent questioning isn't really part of your nature since you seem unable to accept any dissenting voice from yours can be correct.

I hope seva and his buddies continue. Israel did not instigate this. Hizbollah did. I do not see beacon or chillwinston denouncing the thousands of Katyushas that are raining on Israel. Nor are they condemning the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers. Why don't they speak up for their rights? Why don't they hold protests about Hizbollah not allowing the Red Cross to see the soldiers?

Loss of civilian life is tragic. Israel does not target civilians. Hizbollah does. Hizbollah's rockets have hit two Israeli hospitals. They have hit a kindergarten. They have killed people riding bikes. There are 300,000 Israeli refugees.

But I guess they don't count.

The message of Hizbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the other terror groups is the same: wiping out Israel from the river to the sea.

People like seva, those in Montreal, San Fransico, and others who boldly take a stand for Israel are to be comended.

Good work Seva, keep a sharp focus, a cool head and passionate heart, well honed. Great stuff, character building opportunities aplenty!

Ahhhhh, got it. And your version of common sense would have it that the stuff they show on TV/newspapers/etc. (like children with Hezbollah paraphernelia, etc. etc.) are reflective of everyday life in the Middle East.

Dear Beacon of Truth, I know you stand here as one of the enlightened ones showing us Rednecks that we are too simple to understand the Muslim mind.

But you miss the point. For all of your pursuit of justice and truth, at the end of the day you stand with people who have been firing rockets at civilian populations before Israel retaliated, you bitch about oppression from with a country that affords you freedom and espouse "liberal" values while supporting the most fundamentalist and fanatical terrorist groups.

Yeah, I'd say you lack "common sense".

“Ahhhhh, got it. And your version of common sense would have it that the stuff they show on TV/newspapers/etc. (like children with Hezbollah paraphernelia, etc. etc.) are reflective of everyday life in the Middle East.”

The Beacon of Truth and all that is noble chimes in. Pleased to meet you. Nuh, I take that back. But I’ll respond, just ‘cause I’m in a playful mood today – it’s nice to know that the enemy is on the run and hysterical – this puts me in a generous mood.

1. I do not own a TV.

2. I do not read the papers, except very occasionally, like that time I described in the first installment of this multi-part series – see http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archives/008799.shtml

3. Believe it or not, I do listen to the NPR (yikes!) as the more regular source of my news for a couple reasons:

(a) I don’t like commercials, and

(b) I want to know just how biased they are as I can read between the lines (years of practice under the Soviet regime), and since I have access to all sorts of news online, I would like to think that I know what really is going on in the world. This way I can draw a comparison and make a correlation between that bastion of the liberal left-wing intelligentsia bastion of “truth” and all that is “fair and balalnced”, and the perceived reality on the ground. When BBC news comes on, however, I change the station to either jazz or classical, or pop in one of my ~1,500 CDs so as not to hear that taxpayer-supported garbage.

“And according to your version of common sense, well over one billion people (Muslims) worldwide are hellbent on destroying capital-C Civilization As We Know It (TM), because their holy book tells them to.”

Why, thank you, my un-dear fellow, you have spared me the necessity to paint in broad brushstrokes.

Well, actually, this is not exactly true, but there is a lot to be said about this point of view – read several in-depth postings on the subject by one duardo from the first installment – he’s got most of it down, that patient man.

Suffice it to say that I think a slightly modified version holds true nonetheless:

Much of the “well over one billion people (Muslims) worldwide are hellbent on destroying capital-C Civilization As We Know It (TM), because their holy book tells them to.”

Why do I say this? Because I have been studying the subject in depth for almost six years now, ever since the second intifada began in October 2000. That, and 9/11 yanked me out of my complacent slumber, and I could no longer read books about music, watch movies about love, and do all the other things at my leisure that sane people usually do.

So I started reading up on Islam and Muslim fundamentalism feverishly, and was able to learn and absorb quite a lot since.

Which makes me wonder just how much YOU know -- are you (i) an evil liar; (ii) a wishful thinker; (iii) an ignorant moron; (iv) some combination thereof; or (v) all three?

“Furthermore, the moderate ones (because their are only two types of Muslims, dontchaknow) are just ignorant about their religion because they, like, totally don't even understand their holy book (as "interpreted" by Reverend Nutcase & co).”

Actually, most of the world's so-called “moderate” Muslims are either conformists (like most people on this planet), or just plain not brave enough. And for a good reason, too – they are afraid for their lives, as they know all too well what happens to dissidents in their “tolerant” Islamic societies. Hit the books, why dontcha?

“Humble Common Sense "Folks" like "Mike" and yourself (especially you, Seva, you Salt-of-the-Earth humblepie, blue-collar cosmopolitan, you) know what Islam is "really about", especially since you're both so well-versed in Classical Arabic (as opposed to those naive moderate Muslims) and have actually read the Quran cover to cover, not to mention running knowledge of Hadith and Fiqh.”

Oh my Lord, he -- and I assume it’s a “he” rather than a “she” – pulls out the oldest trick from the Islamist apologist cookbook. OK, I will attempt to patiently deconstruct that statement by way of analogy, etc.

The un-dear Beacon of brilliance (the linguistic guru that he is) is suggesting that the “Holy” Q’uran must be read in Arabic, rather than in a decent translation with annotations and commentary. Also, folks, never mind that the sickest version of the Q'uran got canonized way back in the early days of Islam -- yes, there were several conflicting ones floating around then.

Welly-well, then I suppose that the Bible (note the conspicuous absence of “Holy” and of the quotes in this instance) must be read in the original Hebrew (and some Aramaic), or at the very least Greek, Latin or Arabic (all those being the early translations). “Classical” English translations (such as the King James version, etc.) are simply obfuscations and distortions.

Gotcha, thanks for the invaluable advice! What do we, Western ignorami, know about Arabic, anyway? For the words of the “Prophet” can only be understood in the language in which he has (allegedly) uttered them, because they are (apparently) the true words of Allah.

OK, whatever you say, brain – we are not worthy of your immense erudition and intellectual superiority. We, mere Western mortals, kneel and beg forgiveness from you and all the Muslims, in the name of Allah the Merciful and the Compassionate.

Otherwise, who knows, a fatwa just might get issued on my Jewish butt, and who knows, my arrogant head just might be found separated from my unclean infidel body by a noble blade of Islam. For blasphemy invites death, right?

“Common sense, according to Seva Brodsky, would have it that Martin Kramer and other M.E.Forum/think-tank hacks tell it like it is, while ‘obscure research’ conducted by American academia doesn't stand up to close scrutiny.”

Why, thank you, un-dear Beacon of Common Sense, you have spared me the trouble again. Of course, you forgot to mention the mountains of scholarly research by Muslim and ex-Muslim authors (to say nothing of the non-Muslim ones) that would appear to disagree with you and other apologists of Islam.

But hell, those are just apostates, so their opinions don’t count, right? BTW, are you (i) an Islamo-fascist yourself, or (ii) merely their enabler? I assume you are a left-winger, but for all I know you could be just an Islamist radical, without the unhealthy doze of leftism that so often accompanies your notions and beliefs.

“I'll stick to ‘radical academia’ any day of the week, thank you very much.”

I figured as much.

Well done.

Anyone who doesn't take into consideration the thousands of Israeli civilians targeted in malls, shopping centers, buses, and other areas by homocide bombers doesn't have the brains that God gave a jackass. Take into consideration that the Hezbullsh__ers are placing their military gear into civilian areas, it's just displaying their ignorance to say the Israelis are 'targeting' civilians.

Common sense ain't so common any more.

One more thing....

I'd definitely be interested in working to identify the red-headed boy (calling him a man doesn't quite work for me) and Sir Spitalot as well.

It'd be interesting to know if their mommy and daddy know how they're spending their tuition money.

"The reason I went to pick up the flyers was NOT to provoke them -- I didn't know that woman would show up there as well, and until she did, it was all quite civilized -- I was picking up the flyers so as to find out from their printed materials what they were up to next, nothing more, nothing less -- I always do that at enemy events. "

Okay, I apologize if I misunderstood what was going on. It looked as if you had picked up the whole pile of flyers (all the copies) using the justification that they were free. I certainly do not equate or justify their behavior with your behavior. My point was that I think it takes away from your revealing footage if it looks like you provoked them by acting rude or provocative.

“Seva: _You finally admitted last time that you are keen for a fight with people. I still think that your methods are nothing more than antagonistic and you walk away disappointed if you can't pain the entire protrest group as violent.”

Winnie-baby, would you care to show me my admission of being “keen for a fight”? Thanks, pal.

My methods, brain, are not antagonistic – they are probative: I make pictures and videos, while keeping my big mouth (mostly) shut; I ask questions and take interviews – do partake of the couple bonus videos at the end of this second installment of this to-be-continued saga. I only respond to aggression but do not initiate it. Is this what you call “antagonistic”? Then we must be living on different planets – me on Earth, and you on Planet Chomsky, to borrow an apt term from Alan Dershowitz.

“You description of assault if that's what happened: grow some backbone!”

Wow, easy there, my passionate defender of human rights. I actually do think I have a backbone, but I’ll let the others be the judge of that – just read the many comments in this 2nd part as well as those after the first installment of our little saga (to be continued) – there’s tons of opinions out there supporting my own self-aggrandizing assessment. Google is your friend, too.

“Since you're trying to imply I am somehow spineless because I'm not plastering my name and phone number around..??”

Thank you for sparing me the need to use vulgar language – I wholly agree with your assessment.

“What kind of pussy are you to make threats FIRST (proof was in your first video on the earlier post)”

A civilized kind, if you must know – I tell people who are beginning to get physical with me that if they do not back off they are going to get hurt. I consider this to be a fair warning, and then I act on it when the aggressor does not heed it.

What, am I being disproportionate? Acting like the evil Israelis? Let me jut point this out to you – there is a whole lot more of “them” (the ones who would like to hurt me) than there is of me. However, my self-preservation instincts are trumped by my outrage at the violations of my civil rights. After all, I tend to think that I live in an open and pluralistic society, where the freedom of speech trumps hate speech (most of the time) – the U.S. is just about the only such tolerant country, allowing neo-Nazis to march through a Jewish neighborhood in an organized fashion, protected by the police.

“then have someone jostle you, then run to the cops over no physical injury”

Actually, this is not factually true – we’ve been through this several times before. You are beginning to bore me. For the last time, Noah Cohen assaulted me after I issued my fair advance notice, then he (being the “pussy” that he is – sorry, folks, I had to use that word) appealed for help from his comrades-in-hate, then I got mobbed, then I responded, then eventually the cops came (I didn’t seek them out), then the cops asked me whether I wanted to press charges (since I knew who Noah was), then I said I did, then they suggested that I go to the nearest police station, which I did. Which part of this simple straightforward narrative don’t you understand, brain?

“THEN run back to try and incite more violence (and then blog like you were grieviously harmed).

Actually, by that point my stubbornness and my First Amendment sensitivity got the better of me, and I decided to show those thugs that in fact I do have a backbone, and that they can’t intimidate me in my country. And believe you me (I know you don’t – I am talking to others now) that I had no intention to do anything about it – this turned out to become my “coming out of the closet” party. However, I did tell it to a Zionist friend of mine, she send a note to Sol of Solomonia.com, and the rest, as the saying goes, is history.

Except that at this point, I am on a mission to expose these Islamo-Nazis, their leftist enablers, the dupes, etc. Because I am greatly annoyed. But I don’t get mad – I get even. This posting is a part of all that, as you probably have figured out by now.

“So yes you were "technically" assaulted, but only a complete wimp would try and press charges over something like that.”

Sure, sure, whiny Winnie, I am a wimp. Whatever you say.

“Perhaps if you were just as upset about CHILDREN KILLED BY ISRAEL as your oh-so-horrific non existant "assault and battery" you might be joining the people chanting "stop the war" instead of trying to sh*t stir again.”

Yo, whino winno, I hereby give you my solemn promise – I shall be stirring that sh*t again, you can count on it. Dear Sol, I will be attempting to live up to the catchy new title you have so generously bestowed upon me, and I will try to be a true Pest of Zion from now on.

“q1 - Was the green shirted woman there on your request and as part of your protest-against-protesters group? I know she was an "observer", but she appeared to be there for your group and the pushing the guy out of the way (I mean the "assault and battery and violation of civil rights" she committed on one of the protesters) seemed completely unprovoked. I don't see any mention of that in your account.”

Nope – I don’t know who notified the National Lawyers Guild, quite a leftist org by their own admission. Maybe the protesters, maybe the press, maybe the cops, maybe the FBI – all I can say is that I didn’t have a hand in this. Why don't you call them up and ask them yourself? And then let the rest of us know. But please be truthful, as it would be easily verifiable -- I have a phone too, you know.

“Q2 - do you absolutely support everything Israel does? As you seem to be going out of your way to try and paint everyone in the protest who are against the war as evil and (strangely) must be islamic?? Even the deaths of some 500 civilians on the palestinian side (with 50 or so on the Israeli side).”

I do not support everything Israel does by far. But that has nothing to do with its right to exist, which I wholeheartedly support, as you could have imagined. I have a vested personal interest in this, too: many of my friends live there; a whole bunch of my relatives live there; my own baby brother lives there; the woman I love lives there. Is this enough reason? To say nothing of the fact that I happen to like Israel a whole lot.

“How about:_Q3 - Is a palestinian life worth less than an israeli one? Or is Jewish life greater/more important than others? As after all your belief dictates that Jewish race is the chosen ones and all others are going to be sent to hell, similar to christians and scientologists etc etc.”

Oh, I see, now you are referring to the “Jewish race” and slander it, too? OK, you ignorant self-righteous winko pinko, you blew it – I now openly proclaim you to be an anti-Semite. Now, try to go and wash that off your stupd face, you slimy brute.

“_’The longer I live, the more I discover to my amazement that there seems to be an inverse correlation between the amount of education and common sense.’_No, the longer you live the more you'll find that your views are perhaps out of touch with reality.”

YOU, of all people, teaching me about reality? What gull, what chutzpah …

“That and any educated, worldly person would have questions about what Israel is doing in the middle east and why blindly supporting whatever atrocities they commit is morally questionable.”

I leave it to others to respond to the raw sewage that leaves your unclean mouth.

“But I'm guessing that the concept of intelligent questioning isn't really part of your nature since you seem unable to accept any dissenting voice from yours can be correct.”

When was the last time you looked in the mirror, brain? And what did you see there, anyway?

Tony Blair offers a simple rejoinder for the simple minds who support Hezbollah and denounce "Israeli aggression":

In a press conference early Thursday afternoon, UK Prime Minister Tony Blair said that he finds it astounding that President Ahmadinejad has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" as a solution to the Middle East's problems.

"If someone else were to call for Iran or Syria to be wiped off the map, people would be tearing the house down!" he added.

"Okay, I apologize if I misunderstood what was going on. It looked as if you had picked up the whole pile of flyers (all the copies) using the justification that they were free."

Dear decent Mike, whatever gave you an idea that "had picked up the whole pile of flyers (all the copies) using the justification that they were free"? Were you projecting again? Is this what you would have done? :-)

No, there were neat piles of their free leaflets and brochures, and I was merely trying to get one of each, being of a somewhat pedantic nature. I always do this.

"I certainly do not equate or justify their behavior with your behavior. My point was that I think it takes away from your revealing footage if it looks like you provoked them by acting rude or provocative."

Dear Mike, I couldn't agree more. Our strength lies in the higher moral ground you were alluding to, and we simply cannot afford to act otherwise -- after all, aren't we held by the world to a higher standard already?

Be well,
Seva

ChillWinston,

"Q3 - Is a palestinian life worth less than an israeli one? Or is Jewish life greater/more important than others? As after all your belief dictates that Jewish race is the chosen ones and all others are going to be sent to hell, similar to christians and scientologists etc etc. "

Whenever someone trots out the "Jewish race" and "chosen ones" crap, I know I'm hearing from a someone who is disappointed that the nazis SURRENDERED UNCONDITIONALLY to the US, UK and Soviet Union.

Why is the arabic translation of SHITlers Mein Kampf a best seller in the Arab world?

Why did arabs give the Arabic nickname abu ali to SHITler?

Why did Syria give refuge to WW2 era nazi alois brunner?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Brunner

Why does hezbullah do outstretched arm nazi salutes?
Image:Lebanese Hezbollah recruts being sworn in.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lebanese_Hezbollah_recruts_being_sworn_in.jpg

Why is it that the "left" which hates religion, hates Christians, hates Jews, LOVES Fundamentalist Islam?

I believe the "left" LOVES Fundamentalist Islam is because the "left" HATES the US and its allies and sides with any one who also HATES the US.

Socialists had a NON-AGGRESSION PACT with nazis in WW2. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics had a NON-AGGRESSION PACT with National Socialist nazi Germany. That pact lasted until SHITler attacked the USSR. Then Stalin joined the allies to defeat National Socialist nazi Germany.

This is stunning to watch and read. My jaw dropped while watching some of the video. I live in Los Angeles, and have yet to see anything like this here. I fear that this is but a micro view into a larger schism throughout the world. It makes me angry that this anti-Semitism is being practiced so openly and unapologetically.

From Beacon:
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"I am very pleased that even in crazy Lefty San Francisco, the pro-Civ crowds have been at least as large as the pro-Bar contingents."

Is this code language for "I'm an identity politics stooge"?
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Uh...I think that it is code for: "I live in SF, love lots of things about The City, and have typically found it to be politically naive. And so I was pleasantly surprised when Zombie (peace be upon it) showed pictures of a strong pro-Israel rally. And then I was saddened to see that Boston had no such pro-Civ contingent".

Boy...that is a lengthy code.

Anyway, from the looks of the posts here you have lots of other people to fight with. I'll let you get back to being an apologist for the pro-Barbarian crowd.

Joe

PS:
Zombie links:
http://www.zombietime.com/israeli_consulate_protest_july_13_2006/
http://www.zombietime.com/solidarity_with_israel/

ChillWinston ---thank you sir skinhead, now goose step back to your cave

Ahh but it's not just the jews who are sick of this Muslim infection, but us peace lovin ol Hindus too.

Let me just tell you all something, out of much real life experience, wherver muslims have a majority, they cause trouble, they persecute others, and wherver they dont have it, they cry victim.

Gotta love the muslim victim mentality, they are the ones killing people for no good reason other than cuz of some distorted view of their history, they are the ones causing terrorism.

Although i am Indian, Israel has my full support, i wish the Indian government would also grow some balls and help Israel dis-infect the world from 'you know who'.

Its 'facts' time.

Out of the 5 habitable continents, Islamic terrorism is a scourge on 4.
The one lucky one is South America, but only because there ARE no Muslims there. I would list the countries affected by it for you all, but then my post wud require a whole new page, so use 'Google' plz.

Africa is the only continent where the muslims have enough power relative to their neighbours that they can attack openly, hence its called 'wars' there. But make no mistake about it, it is still about muslims v non-muslims.

People here have the audacity of calling 500 dead a genocide !!! I was astounded at the stupidity of the statement.
Genocide is - 3 million jews in ww2, 2 million n upward in East Pakistan, 20 million n upward Russians by Stalin, 30 million and upward by Mao's cultural revolution...list is long.

Here is a simple test for 'common sense 101' and you all are invited to participate.

Scenario: You live in a house in Lebanon. You come back home and see HizbAllah men setting up a rocket right next to your home and then launch it. You have been told that Israel retaliates at the launching sites.

Q1. You leave that place immedeatley or stay put ?

That same day, leaflets are dropped by Israeli warplanes that civilians should leave the area. (they are doing it u kno)

Q2. You leave the place immedeately or stay put ?

If your answer is 'stay put' in both the cases, then you deserve to be bombed !!

Reason: Darwin's theory of evolution. Since you are so incredibly unintelligent, you were well on your way to extinction anyways.

No car ?? WALK !!
No road ?? WALK !!

"Dispropotionate Respone"
Another gem that is being coined to condemn the Israeli response.

What the hell are the Israeli's supposed to do ?? Go kidnap 2 Hizballah and 1 Hamas soldier in retaliation ??

Lets suppose they do that, and Hizb n Hamas again kidnap and Israel again kidnaps and this goes on.

Heres for all of you weak at math. Israel runs out of soldiers before they run out of terrorists !!

Why ?? because every male aged 15-40 is a 'potential' terrorist in that land of Allah.

Thank you for your courage and bravery. I feel better knowing folks like you are out there making a stand for honesty & integrity. I am grateful and appreciative.

I guess I need to correct Abhishek on his point about the lack of Islamic terrorist activity in South America. A Jewish Community Center, and an Israeli embassy, were both bombed in South America with substantial loss of life. Would have to check my archives for the exact locations, dates and casulties.

Seva; I continue to have a great deal of admiration for you. There have been no pro-Hezbollah rallies in my neck of the woods, but no pro-Israeli rallies either. Must be too close to the Iowa State Fair week. If either genre of rally presents itself, I shall proudly proclaim myself as an American Roman Catholic of Irish and German heritage from Chicago, who is by definition a Zionist. My prayers are for the safety of the people of Israel, and the success of the IDF.

Good grief. I'm not sure what laws exist in MA regarding pepper spray, but I'd be carrying that stuff the next time you tangle with the nutballs if I were you. If nothing else, it would be a real treat to watch the little trustifarians squirm.

This is not a clash between civilizations but rather the clash of civilization against the complete lack of one. It is not Israel hiding behind innocent civilians while targeting innocent civilians, is it? There is no equivalence to be found.

Thanks for your courage. Sorry I couldn't join you.

I agree with you completely abhishek. Hindu India also suffers at the hand of "peaceful Islam".
I recommend checking out...
http://www.hinduunity.org

I'd like to once again remind the followers and supporters of "peaceful islam" that if the US or India or Israel suffer a nuke attack the "holy" cities of Mecca, Medina and Qom would be utterly destroyed.

We've all heard Islamofascists proclaim that they "crave death".

So what leverage do we have with "Islamofascism"? I say the threat of the utter destruction of Mecca and the Kabba gives civilization, the non-Muslim world, leverage.

The continued existence of the Kabba of Mecca rests in the hands of "islamofascists". Pretty sad.

Dear abhishek,

Thank you for your clarity and common sense -- the latter one being, alas, an oxymoron these days. Just one more minor correction -- not that it changes the overall picture:

Not 3M Jews but 6M were exterminated in WWII -- close to half of all the Jewish population across the world back then, including about 3M Polish Jews -- more than half of all of the Polish Jews perished. Also, upwards of 500K Gypsies went the way of the Jews.

Would you kindly write to me at Seva(dot)Brodsky(at)gmail(dot)com? There are a few things I'd like to discuss with you outside this forum. Thanks!

Unfortunately LA has its share of wack jobs. I have encountered some of them. They were fairly aggressive with me, but as a happily uncivilized barbarian I have very effective methods of persuading people to be polite.

Seva:
“How about:_Q3 - Is a palestinian life worth less than an israeli one? Or is Jewish life greater/more important than others? As after all your belief dictates that Jewish race is the chosen ones and all others are going to be sent to hell, similar to christians and scientologists etc etc.”

Oh, I see, now you are referring to the “Jewish race” and slander it, too? OK, you ignorant self-righteous winko pinko, you blew it – I now openly proclaim you to be an anti-Semite. Now, try to go and wash that off your stupd face, you slimy brute.

No, and stop with the anti-semite crap ok?? Your accusation is what they call "slander" (and would be justification for a lawsuit were I of that sue-crazy ilk and an intolerant person).

Asking a question does not mean they are an anti-semite.

And I believe that your religion DOES say that you are the chosen ones, as I said about other religions (example: Christians are taught they are destined for heaven, every other person is destined for the bowels of hell). I'm merely asking what your thought on the worth of life if you belive the teachings of your religion then perhaps you are under the misguided belief that you are better than everyone else.
If MY answer to that question was that I thought that a particular race of people was worth less then you could be justified in your remark, but you are not and you merely used it to avoid answering a question.
Seems to be a habit you have (slander and accuse people of racism but not actually answer).
By the way do you even know that anti-semite is a misnomer. Arabs are also semites, yet you are constantly slagging them off and accusing anyone not part of your cheer squad to be anti-semitic.

As for the quote "the chosen people": see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_as_a_chosen_people
A translation:
"Praised are you, Lord our God, King of the universe, who has chosen us out of all the nations and bestowed upon us his Torah."
and
"It is our duty to praise the Master of all, to exalt the Creator of the Universe, who has not made us like the nations of the world and has not placed us like the families of the earth; who has not designed our destiny to be like theirs, nor our lot like that of all their multitude. We bend the knee and bow and acknowledge before the Supreme King of Kings, the Holy One, blessed be he, that it is he who stretched forth the heavens and founded the earth. His seat of glory is in the heavens above; his abode of majesty is in the lofty heights."

So my question stands. Don't like the phrase, kindly tear the pages from the Siddur if you're that upset about it. Perhaps my limited reading of Jewish belief extends beyond what you lot have bothered to learn.

So kindly stop with the Nazi garbage AGAIN.

Eddie: see my answer above.

Bondservant: ditto.

abhishek: yeah, maybe someone should go wipe out all the muslims like you suggest. Lovely how you describe it as "a scourge". Heaven help anyone on this discussion that used the same words to describe jews as "a scourge" affecting continents. As for the comment about leaving your home: I'm not sure what the situation appears like on the ground but if there's talks about convoys being hit, busses of escapees getting bombed etc etc and you have nowhere to go, perhaps you would feel a bit confused about whether to leave your home for looters.
Seva: you wanna talk with this guy? Lovely.

""Arab/Muslim supremecists believe that only Arabs/Muslims can live in the Middle East.""

bulshit! this is the inverse of the zionist stated objective: A jewish state for jews only. dear, we all know who really thinks like that in middle east.

""Yet Arab/Muslims flock to Europe and expect to be given rights THEY DENY NON-Arab/Muslims in their Middle East home countries.""

Everybody does this, NOT JUST ARAB MUSLIMS, jews do that too, so as africans and chinese, why are you so worry about arabs and muslims only?

""Saudi Arabia only permits Muslims to be citizens of Saudi Arabia and bans the practice of any other religion in Saudi Arabia.""

so what? but saudi arabia secretly invest a lot of oil money in israel, and is the best friend of the best friend of israel. how far from olmert can saudi arabia be. they both seems to be working for the same guy (USA).

""Are there any Christian churches in Saudi Arabia? No.""

are there any mosques in Ariel or other big settlement blocks in Israel?

""Arab/Muslims want to ETHNICLY CLEANSE the Middle East of non-Arabs, non-Muslims.""

even if you are right, which you are not. arab muslims never needed to even think about this, before israel showed up in 1948. but you are not right. its the other way around. its israel who has shown up and all of a sudden it wants to dominate and own all of the middle east.

""Muslims massacred the Christian Lebanese town of Damour in 1976.""
Link...

oh please, one person who should never ever talk about a massacre is a pro israeli person. The jewish state has the highest record on massacres.

""If Canada permitted a terrorist militia to attack the US, you would correctly expect the US to attack the militia AND Canada to prevent rearming of the terrorist militia.""

being from canada, i;d like you to know that here, there is no canada. canada long has been giving way to a client colony of uncle usa. these fables belong to another forest, not the one we live in my friend. there is no canada!!!

""Israel pulled out of Lebanon in 2000 - so why does Lebanon permit a terrorist entity to control its southern area?""

hezbollah is not a terrorist entity. hezbollah is part of lebanon. to call hezbollah a cancer, is like to call certain jewish extremists in israel as cancer as well. they are amred too. do you go as far as that? NO those people are part of the jewish israeli society.

then tell us why cant you afford the same to arabs?

in fact here Israel and IDF are the real terrorist entities. they also happen to have big good friends like cheny bush and rumsfield. they don't need you to fight on their behalf. leave them alone, among them there are enough nukes for all arabs, even if you like you can take down paris and berlin for a final settlement on holocaust.

keep up the great work, you are making the jewish community proud with your despicable work, young man. keep typing away. people like you are the blackshirts for zionism in usa. what colour do you think the zionist police should be wearing? orange?

Seva:
To answer the bit where you asked where admitted you wanted confrontation in future (i.e. this time):

Quote from you on the earlier thread:
"1. I did NOT want a confrontation, as I am not a suicidal masochist. Can't vouch for the future, though, as I got the taste of it."

Got a taste for it eh?

Also:
Me: “That and any educated, worldly person would have questions about what Israel is doing in the middle east and why blindly supporting whatever atrocities they commit is morally questionable.”

Seva: "I leave it to others to respond to the raw sewage that leaves your unclean mouth."

What is so offensive about that? If that's offensive that I said someone intelligent should have QUESTIONS: You ARE blindly supporting whatever Israel does aren't you. Under the guise of saying israel has a right to exist you think that extends to wiping out anyone they please and doing whatever they feel like?

Wow! Proof that there is hate in our nation of the United States. The Bible says that the heart is evil above all things...who can understand it. Seva's camera revealed it in all it's bizarre forms. It's very strange that I did not see or hear of this level of protest after 911, etc. until it involves Israel. Ironically, many people at such protests fail to realize that all this evil in the Middle East and now spreading like cancer around the world has always been indirectly been because of an open or secret hatred to Israel. I believe most of these protesters have no say concerning this issue if they are from wealthy nations, like the USA, who eat 3 or more times a day, have central air and heat, don't believe in loving your neighbor as themselves, have an abundant amount of freedom and don't appreciate it, have no discerning knowledge of history, have no manners, women are loud, manipulative, and unladylike, youth who offer no more than a middle finger and think everyone adores them for what's between their legs and how many tattoos and piercings they have , a culture where people don't smile anymore, gripe and complain about everything. This is not the United States of 200 or 100 or 50 years ago. Today, people are more than ever gravitating to what's rebellious and obscene. I'm a true lover of God and believe in Jesus Christ. The Bible says we all nailed Him to the cross. He became a living sacrifice as the Son of God to save us all. The promises also to Israel will be fulfilled. In the meantime there will be a global world system forming and those who stand against Israel will be cursed. Looking at your videos are proof of how decieved people are...the fruit they produce is 'HATE'. And they will lie despite how insane they appear. They are showing their true hearts of corruption and will use even religion to achieve their goal. However, they are unaware that it is a democracy of 'doom and Hell'.

"abhishek: yeah, maybe someone should go wipe out all the muslims like you suggest. Lovely how you describe it as "a scourge". Heaven help anyone on this discussion that used the same words to describe jews as "a scourge" affecting continents."--ChillWinston

But it's not the jews who go and kill in Allah's name !!! and it's not just Israel suffering at their hands !!!

Sir, i would like to remind you, that amidst all this muslim outcry about HizbAllah recieving this thrashing (that lord knows they deserve), we in india had to suffer 7 train bomb blasts last month. We had over 700 caualities. And thats just one, would you like me to list all the terrorist attacks on indian soil in the last one month ??
I would ask you to take a guess on which religious group was behind this incident.

As for 'a scourge', ill ask you a simple question mr. ChillWinston,
How many countires are being affected by Islamic terrorism right now as we speak, and how many have trouble with their muslim populations ??
Just off the top of my head, let me list :

Americas: US (yall lucky, the Atlantic saved you)

Asia: Russia, India, China(surprise surprise), Indonesai, Malasiya, Pakistan, Afganistan, Iraq, Israel, Turkey....

Africa: Ethiopia, Sudan, Somalia, Kenya, Nigeria.....

Europe: UK, France, Germany, Spain, a host of countries in the Balkans (Serbia being the most famous example)...

God knows, if the muslims were living on Antarctica, they'd find some ancient gripe with the penguins to slaughter them as well.

Now tell me sir, is it the whole world out to get Muslims ?? or is their something just fundamentaly wrong with Islam ?? Why is it that no matter what religion you are from, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist...muslims have something against you ??

As for people in Lebanon not being able to leave their houses because convoys are being attacked, well sir, thats why i mentioned, WALK !!! Yes it will be tough, but it's better than dying dont u agree ??

[PS: sorry for the wrong figures on the jewish genocide Seva, i was going off the top of my head, hehe should put in some research before posting next time]

I am reminded of France when the country was freed from the Nazis's and how the collabarators the females had there heads shaved and branded.When the American people finally wake up to these colabarators it will be good to have a photographic record of the colabarators. Get out the shears.

abhishek - You forgot Thailand... Just yesterday 2 police were killed while inspecting train tracks for bombs. Unfortunately, they found one.
Christian schoolgirls beheaded, Buddhist monks slaughtered. In the past 2 years over 1,300 Thais have been murdered by Islamic facists. The reason for this is very simple; Thailand should pull back to their 67' borders. Only then will they have peace... oh, that's right, they occupy nothing other than their own soil. Maybe someone would like to take a shot at the Islamic justification of this behavior.

“No, and stop with the anti-semite crap ok?? Your accusation is what they call ‘slander’ (and would be justification for a lawsuit were I of that sue-crazy ilk and an intolerant person). Asking a question does not mean they are an anti-semite.”

Oh, really, chilly-willy? Well, lookie here, folks, who is a civil rights lawyer wanna be now … Listen, you, let me try to educate your ignorant ass – for my accusations to become grounds for a libel lawsuit at least several of the following things have to take place:

1. Your real name must appear in my attacks on you – are you indeed called Sir ChillWinston? and
2. My accusations must be deemed groundless by the court of law; and
3. They must tarnish your reputation, etc.

Are we clear on these? OK, good. Next, I challenge you to disclose your identity for such purpose, and I further challenge you to indeed bring forth a lawsuit – in fact, I welcome it, as this would give me, future lawyer, some much needed practice as well as much gratification to see you in court. Let me remind you that your record in this weblog so far speaks for itself, so get real, why don’t you?

“And I believe that your religion DOES say that you are the chosen ones, as I said about other religions (example: Christians are taught they are destined for heaven, every other person is destined for the bowels of hell).”

Oh yeah, you really believe that? Do you also believe that we Jews use blood of Christian babies for our Passover matza? Why not? Who gives a rat’s ass what you believe in? Why don’t you just read the Book for youself, for a change, rather than relying on the oldest canards and blood libels, you ignorant moron? Why am I even wasting my time on you? Oh yeah, I forgot, sorry – I am not talking to you, you worthless evil twirp – I am talking to the world out there, to anyone who cares to listen.

“I'm merely asking what your thought on the worth of life if you belive the teachings of your religion then perhaps you are under the misguided belief that you are better than everyone else. _If MY answer to that question was that I thought that a particular race of people was worth less then you could be justified in your remark, but you are not and you merely used it to avoid answering a question. _Seems to be a habit you have (slander and accuse people of racism but not actually answer).”

I am not even going to bother answering such idiotic question – keep guessing – whadda I care? You have established your reputation already, so keep on destroying it further with your incredibly stupid statements.

“By the way do you even know that anti-semite is a misnomer. Arabs are also semites, yet you are constantly slagging them off and accusing anyone not part of your cheer squad to be anti-semitic.”

Folks, this is yet another ancient trick in the anti-Semites’ book, which has been used ever since the termwas coined by one hateful German back in the 19th century. Listen, wine chiller, I’ll try this on you, but only once – can you read? Oh yeah, I forgot, you can also write, too – this last one is actually a stretch – your writing sucks, as does your logic and knowledge. Well, then read these, ignoramus – Google is your friend, remember?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Marr

Now, in your childish attempts to use sources, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_as_a_chosen_people, you conveniently failed to mention that the referenced entry also contains the following:

Chosenness in the Hebrew Bible
According to the Hebrew Bible, Israel's character as the chosen people is conditioned by obedience to God's commandments. "Now therefore, if you will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then you shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people. For all the earth is mine: and you shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation" (Exodus 19:5, 6). "The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because you were more in number than any people; for you were the fewest of all people; but because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your ancestors." (Deuteronomy 7:7, 8).
The obligation imposed upon the Israelites is emphasized by the prophet Amos (Book of Amos 3:2): "You only have I singled out of all the families of the earth: therefore will I visit upon you all your iniquities." This idea is also expressed in Deuteronomy 14:2: "You are a holy people unto the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a peculiar people unto Himself, above all peoples that are upon the face of the earth."

Rabbinic Jewish views of chosenness
The idea of chosenness has traditionally been interpreted by Jews in two ways: one way is that God chose the Israelites, while the other idea is that the Israelites chose God. Although collectively this choice was made freely, religious Jews believe that it created individual obligation for the descendants of the Israelites.
Crucial to the Jewish notion of chosenness is that it creates obligations exclusive to Jews, while non-Jews receive from God other covenants and other responsibilities. Generally, it does not entail exclusive rewards for Jews. Classical rabbinic literature holds that all mankind is made in the image of God.

Etc., etc.

I do not think I need to go into any explanations at this point, as you can read (even if ever-so-slowly) for yourself.

“So my question stands. Don't like the phrase, kindly tear the pages from the Siddur if you're that upset about it. Perhaps my limited reading of Jewish belief extends beyond what you lot have bothered to learn.”

See above, you pretentious sanctimonious goon.

“To answer the bit where you asked where admitted you wanted confrontation in future (i.e. this time):
Quote from you on the earlier thread: _"1. I did NOT want a confrontation, as I am not a suicidal masochist. Can't vouch for the future, though, as I got the taste of it."
Got a taste for it eh?”

Yeah, childish whino, I did get a taste on the 21st of July for standing up for myself, for being strong and brave, for not backing down in the face of an overwhelming threat, for fighting for what’s right, etc. And I liked that taste. I think I will become more than just an occasional Pest of Zion – I am embracing it for the rest of my life, I can promise you that much.

As for the other question, I am too bored with you to respond, as I have done so a number of times already, as have others on this blog, but you still don’t seem to pay notice. Well, wild chili, I ain’t your parent, so I leave it for them to spank your silly immature butt.

Are you enjoying this, chillo-willo? I sure as hell am.

The same story, told from the opposite point of view:

http://boston.indymedia.org/feature/display/186774/index.php

Folks, look what I stumbled upon accidentally:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SourceWatch

And I was the one accused of "profiling people"? See the first video in the first episode of this multiple-part saga (www.solomonia.com/blog/archives/008799.shtml), which shall be continued.

Hey, you Jew-haters and Israel-bashers out there -- I am declaring a crusade and a jihad on you, and I am hereby issuing a fatwa on all of you. My weapons shall now be my camera and the truth it exposes about you. And there are now more of us than before, and we'll grow in numbers, and we'll document your actions and your words. And we'll expose your unbridled hatred and your violent stupidity to the rest of the unsuspecting humanity. And if the Almighty wills it, we'll eradicate your vile screed from this lovely planet, none too soon.

Be forewarned.

Consider this my mission and vision statement, a global call to arms, and a personal manifesto.

zombietime.com -- you rock!

Thank you kindly, Ron Newman, for the tip!

Sol, would you like to add this link to the blog here?

http://boston.indymedia.org/feature/display/186774/index.php

It's quite revealing, ain't it? I mean, look at all these peaceful, wonderful, kumbaya-singing tree-huggers ...

Ugh ...

Only after posting that link did I realize it was about a different rally than the one Seva went to. This one was on Wednesday.

This is IndyMedia's coverage of the July 28 rally:

http://boston.indymedia.org/feature/display/186766

(I've not attended any rallies sponsored by either side.)

ChillyWinston Occupier of Aborigine Land bleated...

>No, and stop with the anti-semite crap ok?? Your accusation is what they call "slander" (and would be justification for a lawsuit were I of that sue-crazy ilk and an intolerant person).

ChillyWilly, your david irving sued Deborah Lipstadt for "slander" and your david irving LOST in a British court.

The kind of British court that exiled your ancestors to the Land Down Under.

BTW, Chilly, did you read the old news???

Holocaust denier Irving is jailed

British historian David Irving has been found guilty in Vienna of denying the Holocaust of European Jewry and sentenced to three years in prison.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4733820.stm

Seva -
You Rock! You're definitely of hero caliber!

Yes my friend I too believe there is an inverse relationship between the amount of education and common sense, which was so evident by your latest incursion into the bowels of Boston higher education hell.

That redheaded kid has a major case of SMS (short man syndrome) he will either end up in state prison, a mental hospital (he seems to be bipolar), or Club Gitmo. I think I will refer to him has "Opie Jihadi"!

- John D. Infidel

Here, as elsewhere, whenever a mindless socialist/egalitarian/pacifist drone speaks, they demonstrate the truth that Left's two most feared enemies are reason and history.

One wonders that one would waste time debating anything with them at all. Well done, Seva, for the attempt.

I wonder what thoughts would come to these pro-barbarian demonstrators minds, as a "noble blade" of islam passed through their necks if both the USA and Israel laid down their arms today?????

Never again was meant for everyone, not just us jews. The way most of you jews talk about islam and muslim reminds me of how nazi germamsn spoke of jews in the 20's and 30's. are you not ashamed of yourself?

the only barbarians right now are those supporting the Jewish state (and of course IDF soldiers). In the name of jewish state, israel and its supporters are tarnishing the memory of Holocaust victims. In 25 years no one would want to commemorate the holocaust. jews are becoming like their enemies (the nazis)

Jews and arabs suck...troublemakers of the worst kind. The only difference between an arab and a jew is the jews are richer, but the underlying endgame is the exact same for both people.

For instance "#39 Posted by: abhishek" ranted on about muslims, but if you replaced his ranting about muslims to jews, the meaning would still be the exact same.

Do you weirdos not understand that this is America and we do not want your jew troubles nor your arab troubles on our plates? Anyone in America that supports israel is a hippocrit of the worst kind pure and simple. If you love so much a terrorist state, go live in it! Stop using the USA as your soapbox and stop using the USA tax money to further your aparthied state.

And as for arabs, you suck ass as bad as any jew does, you are just too stupid to see it. 90% of Americans hate israel but the sad situation is 90% of the media is owned by jews so they lie to the world to make it look like America is jew huggers when in fact we despise them as much as we do the arabs.

Stop using America for your jewish and arabic wars. You wanna fight thats fine with us, go fight! May the best terrorist state religion win.

Thank you once more, Ron Newman, for the right link (see http://boston.indymedia.org/feature/display/186766) -- I still stand by my description, which referred to another day's event -- notice the conspicuous absense of any mention of counter-protest, let alone the thuggish behavior on the part of many demonstrators. It's kumbaya all the way all the same. Surprised? Nuh ...

Thank you, John D. Infidel!

"One wonders that one would waste time debating anything with them at all. Well done, Seva, for the attempt."

Dear Mambo Bananapatch, I actually was NOT trying to debate anything with them -- I was merely using those morons as a vehicle to deliver my message to the wider audience.

It is much easier to respond to the standard old diatribes and dismantle them easily and quickly than to have to write something original :-)

Either way, whether they respond on not, they lose. That's the whole point of this exercise. Besides, I am having much fun, watching them scream and squirm, whereas I doubt they enjoy the public execution all that much.

So you tell me now, was such an attempt worth it? :-)

Never Again, I hope to not have to hear from you ever again. Your brain sucks -- what dumpster did they find it in, anyway? BTW, have you tried Prozac? How about electric shock therapy? Lobotomy? Are you sure you're beyond hope?

Yo, YeahOK, did you vote for David Duke? Are you a member of the KKK or the Aryan Nation? Why don't you just crawl back into your underground bunker somewhere out in the boonies of Oregon, and stay out of sight? Pleeeeez ...

Folks, I've finally made it to the enemy's shit list:

http://rule19.org/resources/z-spies.htm

Yihaaa! :-)

But wait a minute, aren't they engaged in profiling? Ohmagod, how unfair, how unconscionable, how insensitive!

Q.E.D.

what a moronic camera man!!
you are mentioning your country??
excause me...what country would that bee??
the one jewsthugs took over Palestinian People!!
get real israeli scumbags, your time is coming to an end!! media won´t help you anymore!!

Dear Never Again

>>""Arab/Muslim supremecists believe that only Arabs/Muslims can live in the Middle East.""

>bulshit! this is the inverse of the zionist stated objective: A jewish state for jews only. dear, we all know who really thinks like that in middle east.

Bullshit? Really? There are plenty of non-Jews living in Israel. Non-Jews are citizens of Israel. There are churches and mosques and Bahai temples in Israel. Can the same be said for your exclusive Muslim Saudi Arabia?

A muslim state for muslims only - that's your Saudi Arabia - which not only PROHIBITS non-muslim houses of worship, but the open wearing of Christian crosses.

Your Muslim Pakistan was carved out of India to be another Muslim state.

>>""Yet Arab/Muslims flock to Europe and expect to be given rights THEY DENY NON-Arab/Muslims in their Middle East home countries.""

>Everybody does this, NOT JUST ARAB MUSLIMS, jews do that too, so as africans and chinese, why are you so worry about arabs and muslims only?

I am glad that you ADMIT that arab/muslim entities deny non-arab/muslims rights to religious practice they deny others.

>>""Saudi Arabia only permits Muslims to be citizens of Saudi Arabia and bans the practice of any other religion in Saudi Arabia.""

>so what? but saudi arabia secretly invest a lot of oil money in israel, and is the best friend of the best friend of israel. how far from olmert can saudi arabia be. they both seems to be working for the same guy (USA).

So what? I am GLAD to see that you openly support Arab/Muslim BIGOTRY against NON-arab/muslims. Thanks for proving my point.

WOW!!! Saudi Arabia is SECRETLY sending money to its GOOD FRIEND Israel? How much crack did you smoke???

>>""Are there any Christian churches in Saudi Arabia? No.""

>are there any mosques in Ariel or other big settlement blocks in Israel?

Thanks again. A moron like you is comparing a town to AN ENTIRE COUNTRY like Saudi Arabia? The muslim Taliban even outlawed KITE FLYING.

>>""Arab/Muslims want to ETHNICLY CLEANSE the Middle East of non-Arabs, non-Muslims.""

>even if you are right, which you are not. arab muslims never needed to even think about this, before israel showed up in 1948. but you are not right. its the other way around. its israel who has shown up and all of a sudden it wants to dominate and own all of the middle east.

It must really tick off the Islamists that Israel, the jews, who were dhimmis in Muslim lands, the surviors of the Holocaust, have succeeded in building a democracy in a sea of Arab/Muslim dictatorships, theocracies.

>""Muslims massacred the Christian Lebanese town of Damour in 1976.""
Link...

oh please, one person who should never ever talk about a massacre is a pro israeli person. The jewish state has the highest record on massacres.

Muslim entities are world renowed for massacres. Just read the newspapers about the daily reports of tens of Iraqi murdered by their fellow Muslims. Read about 9/11, Madrids 3/11, Londons 7/7, this Julys Mumbai India, your Saddaam Husseins POISON gassing of the Kurds of Halabja Iraq, the 8 year Iran/Iraq war, your PanAm 103 bombing.

""If Canada permitted a terrorist militia to attack the US, you would correctly expect the US to attack the militia AND Canada to prevent rearming of the terrorist militia.""

>being from canada, i;d like you to know that here, there is no canada. canada long has been giving way to a client colony of uncle usa. these fables belong to another forest, not the one we live in my friend. there is no canada!!!

Great. LEAVE CANADA and return to your muzzie homeland or your late UNLAMENTED Turd Reich.

>>""Israel pulled out of Lebanon in 2000 - so why does Lebanon permit a terrorist entity to control its southern area?""

>hezbollah is not a terrorist entity. hezbollah is part of lebanon. to call hezbollah a cancer, is like to call certain jewish extremists in israel as cancer as well. they are amred too. do you go as far as that? NO those people are part of the jewish israeli society.

Hezbullah is a cancer that is trying to spread to its neighbor WHILE destroying its host Lebanon.

>then tell us why cant you afford the same to arabs?

There are plenty of Arab countries, who have also kicked out their paleSWINIANS. Kuwait kicked out its PaleSWINIANS due to their support of invading Muslim War Criminal Spiderhole Saddam Hussein.

>in fact here Israel and IDF are the real terrorist entities. they also happen to have big good friends like cheny bush and rumsfield. they don't need you to fight on their behalf. leave them alone, among them there are enough nukes for all arabs, even if you like you can take down paris and berlin for a final settlement on holocaust.

Of course to a Islamofascist like you, you also see the US, UK and Soviets as the "bad guys" in WW2.

BTW, if the US or India or Israel suffer a Nuclear attack, the "holy" cities of Mecca and the Kabbah and Medina and Qom would become as HOT as the surface of the Sun. That would mean NO MORE HAJJ-EVER AGAIN. The continued existence of Mecca and the Kabba lie in the hands of the sane leaders of the Ummah.

>>keep up the great work, you are making the jewish community proud with your despicable work, young man. keep typing away. people like you are the blackshirts for zionism in usa. what colour do you think the zionist police should be wearing? orange?

Thank you, you old Islamofascist HAG.

Remember, if the US or India (which almost had a nuclear war with Pakistan over Khasmir) or Israel suffer a nuke attack - NO MORE HAJJ EVER AGAIN. It's called M.A.D. like the doctrine between the US and the former Soviet Union.

>>what a moronic camera man!!
you are mentioning your country??
excause me...what country would that bee??
the one jewsthugs took over Palestinian People!!
get real israeli scumbags, your time is coming to an end!! media won´t help you anymore!!
>#69 Posted by Dil at August 5, 2006 10:38 AM

Dildo, you sand nazis are BEGGING for a NAKBAH.

9/11, Mardids 3/11, Londons 7/7, PanAm flight 103 which crashed into Lockerbie Scotland, 1993 bombing of the WTC, Beslan school massacre.

Remember Dildo of the Prophet, if the US or India or Israel suffer nuke attack, Mecca will end up looking like Hiroshima AND Nagasaki. That means NO MORE HAJJ EVER AGAIN.

Seva, congrats pal, I mean FRIEND.

You're in good company with Charles Jacobs!

The website is Rule 19, is that a hat tip to "The Magnificent 19" of the Finsbury Park mosque in London which CELEBRATED the 9/11 sneak attack on the US by 19 followers of the oxymoron called "peaceful islam"?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34223

"Remember, if the US or India (which almost had a nuclear war with Pakistan over Khasmir) or Israel suffer a nuke attack - NO MORE HAJJ EVER AGAIN. It's called M.A.D. like the doctrine between the US and the former Soviet Union."

this is the voice of a Nazi Jew. never thought there would be such a thing. never thought Jews are capable of going down to the level of Nazis. never thought Jews are capable of utter HATE. Zionist black shirts threaten the world with nuclear holocaust. Hezbollah sounds 1000 times more civilized than israel and pro Israeli Jews in USA. Jewish state belongs to the dustbin of history. The world gave Jews a country and in the last 50 years, the Jewish state proved that Jews don't deserve to have a state. this is a sad day for all Jews and non Jews. I refuse to go down with you into inhumanity. You're eyes are red with Arab blood. only those with blinding power can talk about a nuclear confrontation. only those with 40o secret atomic bombs can afford to talk like they own the world. Israel is blinded by its might. Israel will lose because of its recklessness. peace on earth.

Look at the madness of the left that is infecting your comment section. Give them a few minutes and their anti-Jew vitriol will come spewing out. Their favorite propaganda tool is to compare Jews to Nazis (see above). Their emotional rhetoric fools no one,they are preaching to their own choir, not to the masses. So fret not, America and all thinking people everywhere are with Israel.

Dear "nakba again" (nakbah is arabic for catastrophe),

Too bad for you and your fellow nazi vermin that he Israelis are NOT the unarmed Jews of WW2 nazi vermin infested Europe.

Your "furher" the head snake of the Satanic Republic of iran is actively working to trigger the destruction of his Satanic Republic of iran AND the "holy" cities of Islam.

Islam was once a great religion, but it has mutated into a savage, death craving, death worshiping cult.

Snake nasrallah will be joining Snake yassin in "Islamic Paradise", soon.

I know that a Islamofascist like you cries that nazi Germany SURRENDERED UNCONDITIONALY to the US, UK and Soviet Union. Soon your Nazi iran will SURRENDER UNCONDITIONALLY.

NO CEASEFIRE for hezbullah.
DEATH for hezbullah.
DEATH for hamas.
DEATH for the al qada wing of "peaceful islam" which the Finsbury mosque in London celebrates the 19 swine as "The Magnificent 19".

Israel is a disgrace on the face of the planet. The Nazi Jewish state of Israel has lost all of its moral credit. Jewish people of the world are suffering from anti Semitism right now, due to the actions of Israel, and it is going to only get worse. You dumb stupid American Jews are responsible for the barbaric state of Israel. Arrogance and military might have never worked in history and no amount of pro Israeli press can cover the fact that Israel is unpopular and will get even more unpopular in the world.

You can keep justifying your Nazi ways my dear bloodthirsty American Jews, its only going to make things worse for Jewish people. you hide in posh neighborhoods of New York and preach hate and fund the terror of Israel.

When the bigotry of USA finally turns against Jews, you’ll have nowhere to go and one to turn to. If US sugar daddy and German masochists stop the payments, you’ll lose Israel in a day. Unless the Nazi Jews in charge of Israel are willing to use their nukes, which will itself bring an end to the experiment called Jewish state.

I wonder whether our brilliant Never Again is a sefl-hating Jewish anti-Semite, or the plain garden variety. It didn't take him (or her?) too long to come out of the closet -- I wonder if it was similar to the Mel Gibson syndrome -- spilling the beans in the state of inebriation, when there is no self control, or some other reason.

Whatever, as it hardly matters -- it usually doesn't take long for such creatures of the deep to show what they are really made of.

All the same -- I hereby declare a jihad on his ass, too. Your loose tongue, and the tiny stupid brain behind it, are your own worst enemies, Never Again.

Now, please do the world a favor and jump off a cliff, won't you? And leave that parachute at home -- you no longer need it.

Seva, baloney, in vino veritas is highly (and conspicuously selectively) overrated, to place Gibson's name in the same context as this set of topics reflects an inebriated and presumptuous moral sensibility. That's not even a statement primarily concerned with Gibson (fils), it's a statement about sober minded moral assessments as pertains to this topic specifically and more generally as well.

That type of moral equivalency, moral leveling, is virtually the polar opposite of any more sober minded assessment.

Dear nakbah again!,

Are trying to say you don't like Israel or Jews?

Who gives a crap.

Listen nakbah again!, you Islamofascist, al qada lovin', Taliban lovin', Salman Rushdie fatwah lovin', 9/11 celebrating, 3/11 Madrid lovin', London 7/7 lovin', Hindu murdering lovin', 1,500 year old Buddahs of Bamiyan Afghanistan bombing lovin', Indonesian Ethnic Chinese murder lovin', 1993 WTC truck bombing lovin', Beirut Marine barracks truck bombing lovin', Taliban lovin', Beslan school massacre lovin', Pan Am 103 bombing lovin', Current Day Slaver Muslim Sudan lovin', Hezbullah lovin', Hamas lovin', Poison gassing of Halabja Iraq Muslim War Criminal Spiderhole hiding Saddam Hussein lovin', Pakistan Church bombing lovin', Egyptian Coptic Christian oppression lovin', Death to the US lovin', female genital mutilation lovin', burka/hajib lovin', Luxor tourist massacre lovin', Anwar Sadat assassination lovin', honor killing lovin', Seattle Jewish Center shooting lovin', Al-Reuters photoshop editing lovin', Sand nazi PIG.

Remember nakbah again!, there are more cockaroaches in the World than Islamofascists, and the cockaroaches aren't going to take over the World either.

P.S. nakbah again!

"F", "F", PaleSWINE.

Very brave of you all. I'm impressed! For any American to claim they are patriotic while they support Terrorism is beyond me.

GOD Bless America and Israel!

You need to fix your disclaimer at the end of the post. It reads as though all those folks reporting are your employees or were there at your behest.

How can you people honestly support a country bound on attacking every sinlge country around it. Israel claims its defending itself, its crazy, worse than Bush going into Iraq. Israel killed about 1000 CIVILIANS and destroyed an entire free country's infrastructure. Roads, power plants, 4 trucks filled with food and medicine? Israel gets billons of dollars for free from the US every year. How can you say it suffers?

I guess you're waiting for them to find some proof that thousands of years ago they had cities in Palestine, look up the records, they havnt found any archiological evidence yet. Look up all the frauds that have been operating in Israel selling "artifacts"...Makes me sick. Even if they had a covenent with God they broke it 2000 years ago, thus they cannot be there anymore. If you believe in God, read the Bible and tell me why they were kicked out and punished.