Sunday, July 23, 2006
Mayhem at the Defend Hizballah Rally!
This past Friday, the Muslim American Society held their "Justice for Palestine and Lebanon Protest" at Boston's City Hall Plaza referred to at the end of this post. The Boston Globe has its report here: Muslims, Christians protest bombardment of Lebanon 
Participants carried signs such as ``Free All Palestinian and Lebanese Political Prisoners," ``End the Israeli Occupation," and ``Stop Aid and Weapons." At times during the nearly three-hour rally, which included a prayer service and was sponsored by the Muslim American Society, they chanted ``Free, Free Palestine," and then ``Free, Free Lebanon." A police officer at the scene estimated the crowd at 2 p.m. to be 500.
Around 1:30 p.m., hundreds gathered in tidy eastward-facing rows of about 50 people each, to pray to God. Most kneeled on prayer rugs. Others improvised with newspapers. Some took off their shoes. Usually, at that time of the week, they would have gathered in a mosque. Assam Omeish, president of the Muslim American Society, led the prayer.
Caline Jarudi, executive director of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee of Massachusetts, said that holding the rally was a big step among Muslims, who often are apprehensive about publicly vocalizing their views because they can face discrimination. ``The rally was about justice and hopefully there is no consequence," she said.
During the rally, many thought of loved ones in Lebanon or the disputed territories in Israel...
"Disputed territories." Very good.
Oh, but that's not the full story. No, no, my friends. You see, freelance operative Seva Brodsky was in the house, camera in hand -- and there was much jostling, grabbing, profanity and threats of violence directed toward our intrepid defender of Israel and America. The remainder of this post is either submitted by, or based on descriptions from, Seva. The pictures and video are his. Any asides from me are placed in brackets, Mr. Brodsky's submission is below in pull-quote format. The description of events is his. Most of the visuals are in video format, with only a few original still-shots, although I have pulled some stills out of the video for illustration (so that is why most of the photos are in a fairly small size). Stick with us, gentle readers, for this shall be worth it. Seva:
Having arrived from Israel several days ago, where I had just spent almost six months, I got right back into my regular Zionist activities. While riding the subway on Thursday, July 20, 2006, I read in the Metro that there was going to be a political rally the very next day (Friday the 21st) at Boston City Hall Plaza. That article, titled Lebanon/Israel cease-fire rally set for tomorrow, by Laura Dannen, could be found in the lower left hand corner of page 2. Following is a short snip:
BOSTON — Calling for an end to the “indiscriminate” loss of life in Lebanon, more than 1,000 members of Boston’s Muslim community are expected to rally on City Hall Plaza tomorrow afternoon.The protest, organized by the Boston branch of the Muslim American Society’s Freedom Foundation, will call for an immediate cease-fire to the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah, now entering its second week, said Omar Abdala, the rally’s organizer.
“It’s unacceptable to indiscriminately kill innocent civilians,” Abdala, 25, said of the Israeli attack on Lebanon. “We’re calling for an immediate end to violence and for Israel to pull back.”
The demonstration, taking place from noon to 3 pm on City Hall Plaza, is part of a larger series of protests around the country this week. More than 2,000 Boston-area Jews and supporters of Israel gathered peacefully in Brookline on Tuesday, demanding peace and security for Israel, an end to terrorism and the safe return of two captured Israeli soldiers...
My interest was piqued, so I decided to check it out. I showed up at City Hall Plaza at about 2 pm, in black dress slacks and striped blue and white shirt, looking like a lawyer on a lunch break. I had a small backpack with the Canon digital photo/video camera in it. As I was approaching the crowd, which appeared to number several hundred people, I took it out and turned the video on.

As I approached the crowd I was confronted by Noah Cohen, [who's Marxist screeds are legend, and who feels Noam Chomsky isn't sufficiently anti-Zionist], who is the husband of Lana Habash [a physician who was quoted as stating that the bombing of Jerusalem Bus#19 was a justifiable act of resistance -- Together, Cohen and Habash run the New England Committee to Defend Palestine, whose goals we have gone over before and which boasts Andover High School's Ron Francis as a booster] and my old nemesis. He tried to harass and intimidate me, but I wouldn't give in. So he tried to impede my video recording by blocking me with his body. As I had a swivel monitor on the camera and was taller than him, I raised the camera above my head and continued filming that way.

However, he is not the type to give up too easily -- being resourceful, he raised a large white banner he had with him on a foam board, thereby creating a new, more formidable obstacle for my probing lens. This precipitated a cat-and-mouse game, which I did not mind engaging in. He was really annoyed by that and started calling for back up. A little crowd started gathering around me, threatening and verbally abusing me.
Some rather short and skinny woman, screaming hysterically at me, grabbed my camera and left arm:

In the ensuing commotion, I suddenly noticed that Noah Cohen grabbed my camera and was quietly trying to break off its swivel monitor. This really stunned me -- I didn't expect he would go to such length and engage in criminally punishable behavior, but I guess, he figured he could afford to do so and get away with it, being surrounded by his comrades-in-arms with no police in sight. At this point, indignant and even outraged, realizing that I was entirely on my own and no help was forthcoming, I yanked the camera from his grip and a scuffle ensued which seemed to cool off his zeal substantially.
More people joined the melee, shouting and threatening me. Unfortunately, by this point my camera was off, so I did not capture what had transpired then. One man told me that the police would not help me, as they were going to hunt me down and kill me (he can be heard on the video repeatedly commanding me not to take pictures):

Eventually the police, a man and a woman, showed up and questioned me, asking me if I wanted to press charges since I knew the name of the perpetrator. I said that I did and they told me where the nearest police station was, so I eventually did proceed there, but not before the Arab "witnesses" were screaming to the cops that I had attacked an innocent woman.
"In the Arab world it is understood that hospitality is given freely to friend and foe alike, that the blessings of family and religion are to be cherished above all else, except possibly money, that what is said is not necessarily what is meant at all because, in the richness and imagery of the Arabic language, style counts more than substance." Pp. xii-xiii of the Introduction to "The Arabs, Journeys Beyond the Mirage"; Vintage, 1988, by David Lamb, an American journalist and author, who is quite sympathetic to the Arabs.
The female officer went to talk to someone, returning several minutes later and telling the male officer that my version of the story got corroborated and checked out in the end.
[Here is the short video, from the time when Seva approached the rally to the point where his camera was grabbed and he stopped filming -- "He's a Zionist! He's profiling people!":]
Upon return from the police station, I continued my video recording activities. More insults and threats followed, and another conversation with the same two police officers, who then suggested I also go to a particular courthouse, as there was still enough time left in the day to also file my complaint there. I got into an interesting discussion with them, and the male cop suggested that I write about the incident to a paper, such as Boston Phoenix, and I replied that I intended to.

[Say, remember micro-Larry Bird? Well he and friend were back, and had a few choice words for Mr. Brodsky (that's his voice -- more of him later -- WARNING: contains profanity):]
[Another encounter with Noah Cohen, another guy who threatens to smash Mr. Brodsky's camera, and a beleaguered -- though it must be said, well-meaning -- Rally Marshall, who informs Mr. Brodsky that he can't guarantee his safety:]
I continued recording the event, moving across the street and observing it from a distance:
[Chanting: "When people are occupied, resistance is justified..."]
[Another encounter: "The Zionists must hate this"...and again with our basketball friend, or as perhaps we should call him, "Gorgeous"...note the Palestine water-bottle accessory:]
All this commotion begs several questions:
1. Why is it that I was the only pro-Israel person who was there out in the open? Where were others? If they were there, did they take notes, pictures, and videos?
2. Was the FBI there? Their field office could have had a field day, and I hope they did -- the proportion of Muslim clerics and Arab as well as hard-core leftist extremists there was quite staggering.
3. Why did the police not come to my rescue right away, and why were there so few of them? I only saw one parked wagon with two cops in it, and the two officers that I talked to. Given the size of the crowd, and the content of speeches, slogans, and banners, I would expect a battalion of security forces there. [This is remarkable. At every pro-Israel event, even family-oriented events, there has been an extensive police presence along with private security. At this event...almost nothing. Draw your own conclusions. -S]
4. Why is it that when we Jews have our demonstrations and rallies, we behave overwhelmingly in a civilized manner in the face of the opposition, and if one of us steps over the line of propriety, the rest admonish such a person? Why do we see such a drastic difference between our behavior and that of our opponents and enemies?
Seva,
For actions far above and beyond what anyone would ever ask you to do, it is my honor to present you with this award and ribbon to be worn on your uniform [described by you as, "black dress slacks and striped blue and white shirt, looking like a lawyer on a lunch break"] at whatever events you deem appropriate. The Order of the Pest of Zion:

Wear it with pride.
Update: 7/24 7:15am -- Seva is on WRKO Boston right now!
Update 2: Nice job Seva! Thanks to Scott Allen Miller for having Seva on. Also welcome to Michelle Malkin, LGF readers, Freepers and others.
Update 3: Seva will be on the Michael Graham radio show (listen live at the link) at about 3:15 Eastern-- that's a few minutes from now. Done. Great job Seva! You sounded great.
Update 4 7/27: Seva will be on Hannity & Colmes at around 9:20 Eastern tonight to talk about the incident!
Update 5: Video of Seva's H&C appearance can be found here. BTW, for a good web site for keeping in step with the Russian-Jewish community in Boston, try Jewish Russian Telegraph.
Update 6: Part 2 of this story is HERE.
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226 Comments
Noah Cohen is a jerk. I hope you do go through with pressing charges. You immediately lose credentials to being a peace-loving person when you attack someone with a video camera.
wow. impressive work, both of you.
interesting that they should yell "he's profiling." i remember being told that at a talk given by the Israeli consul at BU, there were protesters outside taking pictures of everyone coming out. apparently a) when they take pictures they are profiling, and b) what's sauce for the goose is definitely not sauce for the gander.
My God bless you and bless Isrial.
Thank you for your video. I am an American, a christian and on observer. I understand your beliefs for your land, or shall I say I try to understand. If it were me, I'd give the Palestians the sand, let they eat it and see what they have to fight over then!!! Look at Gaza, what did they do, feed their people, build homes, help each other, no they built up an arsenal and started killing Jews!!! I am pro-Israel. I pray for peace and only God can know what will come.
How soon until Boston becomes Londonistan II? They're building a mosque to Islamists, and now they don't even bother much to protect innocents at pro-terrorist rallies.
This is like the No-Pasaran guys' counter-anti-freedom-of-speech-demonstration in Paris this winter, except on a smaller scale.
Wow Seva I really admire your brave and daring attitude. Long live Israel............
Brave man. And it shouldn't be like that. At the New York Pro-Israel rally, there were those who held signs against Israel and yet none of the Israeli supporters threatened them.
Makes me wonder what all those camera shy people at the Boston rally have to hide.
Order of the Pest of Zion! That is really good. That needs to be trumpetted on the blogosphere.
chilling...but what courage in the face of facism. you are the best example of what makes America great. uncounted millions support you and support Israel. God bless.
I doff my hat. Keep it up.
[This is remarkable. At every pro-Israel event, even family-oriented events, there has been an extensive police presence along with private security. At this event...almost nothing. Draw your own conclusions. -S]
That's not remarkable at all if you consider the likely fact that the police are there not to arrest protesters... free speech is free speech after all. Perhaps the police are there to PROTECT those doing the protesting from those who would try to stop them.
Thus, you might surmise that they are less worried about people trying to blow up a group of Hezbollah supporters and more worried about those same supporters trying to blow up a pro-Israel rally.
Just a thought.
datter
I am awed and humbled by your courage. God bless you for standing up to the invaders of our peace and freedom, and God bless Israel.
Press charges. Do not relent, this is a critical thing to do to preserve our freedom of speech.
-jcr
I think the lack of police may actually be on purpose. I sincerely hope that the reason no police were there is becuase they didn't want to "tamper with" the natural remarks etc. that the speakers made. The FBI were probably there in plain clothes. I know they go to ALL the rallies we in Dearborn Michigan. They get to know who are the BIGGEST trouble makers are. And I do mean trouble. Thanks for all you do.
I greatly admire your nerve I'm sure I would not have had the nerve to do whay you did. However, even though I'm 63 years old well past my prime if I had been there I would have aided you in some manner.
Thank you for your courage.
Good for you but please be careful. These people a more than willing to commit violence. If pressing charges goes anywhere please keep us informed.
Brilliant. Exposing anti-Zionists events as gatherings of extreme fringe Left, ethnic street thugs and welfare abusers should get some results.
I think it is wonderful that pro-Israel rallies are well-protected, they are family events, and some thinkinig should go into ways of making them attractive to non-Jewish families. After all, the message of those rallies is to respect peaceful family life of citisens of Israel. Do you think there is a chance to get a sympathetic Christian preacher or a Black Conservative with a message family life, work and dedication to raising healthy, educated and well-adapted children, to one of these rallies? It is of urgent importance to position pro-Zionism as a position of people living normal civilised lives.
I'm heartened that they knew better than to go further than mild intimidation. It's a sign that American law and justice still works. They're afraid to do more than whisper a threat, unlike stories I hear from Europe where even judges are afraid and often give in to intimidation.
Great stuff, impressive, commendable, obviously so.
I wish more people could see that video. It really opens your eyes to the "tolerance" of the religion of peace. You are a brave man.
Thanks so much for posting this. It's really important to get word out about this kind of intimidation, by these 5th columnists. I "digged" it. Man, I love the blogosphere.
Yep. Islam. The "religion of peace."
>I said that I did and they told me where the
>nearest police station was, so I eventually did
>proceed there, but not before the Arab
>"witnesses" were screaming to the cops that I had
>attacked an innocent woman.
>Was the FBI there? Their field office could have
>had a field day, and I hope they did -- the
>proportion of Muslim clerics and Arab as well as
>hard-core leftist extremists there was quite
>staggering.
Sorry, but you lost credibility in my eyes with comments like these. Why, in the first comment, do you psecifically mention Arab witnesses, particularly when you're discussing the obnoxious behavior of non-Arabs like Noah Cohen and the "grabber" woman who looked to be white from the picture? If someone had written this about trying to film last Tuesday's rally and Kehillath Israel and had referred to "Jew witnesses," we would all be justifiably outraged.
And then you ask if the FBI was there--because there was a high "proportion of Muslim clerics and Arab" [sic]? Seva, being Arab or a Muslim cleric is not cause for FBI monitoring. Illegal activity is cause for FBI monitoring. And the only person you accuse of illegal activity here is not Muslim or Arab.
As a Jew, I'm ashamed to see another Jew's activism so tainted by anti-Arab racism.
I liked the courage of the kid threatening with the water bottle. When that didn't work, he tried to get the three women to do the job. Good work. Peace to Israel.
It just shows how afraid Mr. Cohen and his ilk are when they have to get physical to silence the opposition. I hope you throw the book at 'em!
Who was the little junior at the end waving the water bottle around? Looked a little pale to me to be an Arab Paleostinian. Another white suburban teeny something lefty "revolutionary" I suppose, no dog in this fight but that's never good enough for these types of brats.
He probably has permanent indentations of Playstation controllers on his thumbs and plenty of Dorito dust -- but nary a single callous on his hands to signify any sacrifice for anything, ever, in his short life.
"Seva, being Arab or a Muslim cleric is not cause for FBI monitoring. Illegal activity is cause for FBI monitoring. "
Uh, being a Muslim cleric at a rally where the speakers are calling for the destruction of Israel is cause for FBI monitoring, or at least it should be.
oh my god, there were arabs present! better call the FBI!!!
/sarcasm
Disappointed, read between the lines, buddy. If you weren't there you really can't comment. However, even if you weren't there and you actually paid attention the the video you'd see what he was talking about. I'd say anyone at a rally supporting Hezbollah warrants FBI monitoring, at the very least...
"Illegal activity is cause for FBI monitoring. And the only person you accuse of illegal activity here is not Muslim or Arab."
Not quite.
Illegal activity is cause for investigation, arrest, and indictment. Law enforcement does not sit idly by and "monitor" illegal activity. What is cause for "monitoring" is the LIKELIHOOD of illegal activity and, as unfortunate as it is to say, when there are a large number of Arabs and radical leftists at an anti-Israeli rally, the likelihood of illegal activity (as was demonstrated at length in this video) is high... and, thus, a perfect opportunity for monitoring.
This is not "racism" as much as it is "statistical inference" based on past experience which could easily be supported by empirical data, should such become available.
"And then you ask if the FBI was there--because there was a high "proportion of Muslim clerics and Arab" [sic]? Seva, being Arab or a Muslim cleric is not cause for FBI monitoring. Illegal activity is cause for FBI monitoring. And the only person you accuse of illegal activity here is not Muslim or Arab.
As a Jew, I'm ashamed to see another Jew's activism so tainted by anti-Arab racism.
"
It's quite a stretch to call him a rascist; ask him in what context he meant those words, before you judge him.
And yes, being a muslim at a rally in favor of Hezzbollah IS cause for monitoring them, even in the case where they have commited no crime so long as the monitoring is not done on anyone's private property without their permission or contrary to their liberty.
GO ISRAEL! Vanquish the H & H scum; the sooner the better!
What a mass of human debris. You should have threatened that one asshole with a trip to Club Gitmo. That goes for you, too, Baghwan.
"Damned right I'm a zionist. I am a jew and a zionist. And an American."
Hehe. Boy that was fun to watch. More power to you. I'm not Jewish, but I share your support for Israel. I'm also a BIG fan of Lebanon and hope you or they destroy Hezbollah forever!
"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
Seva, you are a good man!
All those Islamofascists and Progressive Mental Illness types who are against "occupation", should end their own occupation of North America, Native American land.
"F", "F", PaleSWINE.
"Yes, and why is the crowd so murderous? Why is that?"
"I'll take an inaccurate Katusha anyday over being in this crowd"
The camera guy is killing me :)
All those Islamofascists and Progressive Mental Illness types who are against "occupation", should end their own occupation of North America, Native American land.
"F", "F", PaleSWINE.
God Bless....Nice Work
Myself and my "good ol boy buddies" from Bama and GA. wish we were there.....for support
"Disappointed," you are what we call a "useful idiot." And by the way, there would be nothing at all wrong with referring to Jewish witnesses as "Jewish witnesses." So your accusation of racism because Seva referred to "Arab witnesses" is irrational at base.
Self-hating Jews who turn on their own people and side with the enemy are the greatest threat to Jewish survival.
American Jewess, it's good to know what you call me. I personally don't like name-calling too much--something about L'shon hara. But I gues that doesn't mean too much in a discussion where people use terms like "Paleswine."
I have trouble believing that you don't think that it would be objectionable if a non-Jew who described a scene like this at the rally at KI last week referred to "Jew witnesses." Do you also think that it's okay for Mearshimer and Walt to scream about the alleged influence of the "Israel lobby"? For other political commentators to decry "Jewish neocons" in the Bush administration? I'd call all of these anti-Semitic. And I trust that others here would too. I even have to guess that you would, if it didn't conflict with your effort to denounce me here.
I am a proud Jew--not self-hating in the least, though I appreciate your concern for my self-esteem. I'm curious what I said that you classify as "siding with the enemy." What I did was criticize another Jew for what I consider racist language. Last I checked, our tradition was largely based on discussion and argument--take a look at the Talmud lately? If criticizing others in the community makes me self-hating, then at least I'm in pretty good company.
One note to those who've said that presence at a pro-Hezbollah rally is enough to merit FBI surveillance--do you HONESTLY believe that any more than a tiny fraction of those who attended this rally were pro-Hezbollah? Do you think that Lebanese Christians and Sunnis wre there to support a Shiite fundadmentalist militia that has ravaged their country? Did you see anyone explicitly supporting Hezbollah besides a handful of white folks who are neither Arabs nor Muslims?
What evil people. Surely demon possessed. You can see it in their wild-eyed look. I have seen the same in mental wards.
Dear Disappointed,
I DO believe that more than "a tiny fraction" of the attendees of this rally ARE pro-Hezbullah, pro-Hamas, pro-Al Qada.
Lebanon has been HIJACKED just as 4 commercial airliners were hijacked on 9/11.
Lebanon was first hijacked by the PLO. Then Lebanon was hijacked by Syria. Now Lebanon has been hijacked by Iranian Hezbullah. Lebanon is too weak to remove the foreign forces and foreign troops that dominate its government.
BTW Disappointed are you disappointed by Noah Cohen who was trying to censor the video taping by a citizen of a demonstration in a PUBLIC SPACE?
"F", "F", PaleSWINE. Get it?
I am Christian. I recently was playing the piano at a Jewish temple service, when the rabbi said we were going to pray for peace in Israel. The prayer included asking God to send "PEACE to our ENEMIES" and so on. I wonder if there are any Islamic prayers that include peace for Jews...
Well, Eddie, if you read my first comment, you'll note that I referred to Cohen's behavior as boht obnoxious and illegal. So yes, I think that makes clear that I'm disappointed by it, like most everyone posting here. I didn't focus on it because I'm not too interested in repeating what others have already said--makes reading comments pretty tedious when they all say the same thing.
>"F", "F", PaleSWINE. Get it?
Yeah--there's actually not much subtlety or cleverness to "get." Honestly, it makes you sound like a middle school student, and doesn't lend you much credibility.
@Disappointed, if i were to protest in an anti-war demonstration and I see people abusing this demonstration carrying pro-Hezbollah or anti-semitic signs, I'm out.
All those who are against Israel should also be against Pakistan, a country carved out of India designed to have a Muslim majority.
In Israel there is a group called "Peace Now".
Is there an Arab/Muslim equivalent?
Is there a "Salaam Now"? An Arab/Muslim grassroots organization that demonstrates against Hamas, Hezbullah, PLO, PFLP, Islamic Jihad?
If not why?
Disappointed, are you disappointed that a man other than Noah threatened the life of the man taking the video?
The FBI, NSA, and Homeland security had better be monitoring all of these terrorists groups and that's exactly what they are. Time to arrest the ones with the phony citizen claims for treason or supporting terrorism, and deport any Nut from the middle east that is not a citizen. Protest like that should be grounds to cancel any citizenship applications for anyone there. None of them are to be trusted. Why do people do business with them or hire them? Are they that greedy for the dollar? I wouldn't buy a pill from any of them if I was having a heart attack. It would probably be poison.
Suzanne, you made an excellent point.
The anti-war "Protest Organizer" had issues with the videographer but NO PROBLEM with pro-Hezbuallah posters.
BTW, Hezbullah has been categorized as a Terrorist organization by the State Department.
Joey, I'd like to see you say that to my face, Zionist coward.
Fuck off and die, terrorist.
Eddie, this is a bit tiresome. Yes, I condemn the fact that someone threatened the cameraman. And I condemn the woman who tried to grab the camera. Would you like to go through and ask if I object to every unacceptable thing said one done at this rally? I didn't address each one because in blog comments, one tends to just make one or two short points, not write a comprehencsive piece. That's why i haven't replied to each separate point you've made, and why I didn't object to every point Seva laid out in his post.
And actually, there are Muslim peace groups in Israel and elsewhere. And joint Jewish-Muslim peace groups, too. A bit of simple web research would find them. Or is it easier to say "F, F Paleswine" than do that research?
Disappointed, I'm afraid reason does not work well with partisan wingnuts. This board is likely full of Republican Zionists who think with their hearts and not their brains.
Wow, sounds like Eddie and Bagwhan might get along--both discussing things at about the same level of discourse.
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Dear Disappointed,
I ask you, I challenge you, when and where was the last Arab/Muslim "Salaam Now" (sic) demonstration AGAINST Hamas, Hezbullah, Islamic Jihad?
Any in the US? Any in the PaleSTINIAN Authority? Any in the United Kingdom? Any in Europe?
Bagwhan, I wrote the post above before I saw that you'd directed a comment at me. But I have to say, writing "fuck off and die" strikes me as little different than "F, F Paleswine" or "None of them are to be trusted." I suppose you get a bit of credit for your childish attack being aimed at one person, rather than a whole group, but I object to it nonetheless.
I hope the F.B.I. WAS there taking names and taping comments by the terrorists/pro-terrorists. After all, these are the brothers (whatever their ethnicity) of the scum who perpetrated 9/11 and would like to do another one.
Raghwan, I hear that Islamofascists issued a fatwah against "reason".
Remember the fatwah against Salman Rushdie for writing a book of fiction? Rushdie took it seriously and was in hiding for a number of years.
Oh, Eddie, I'm going to bed. I'd suggest you do the same before you get too worked up with "challenging" me.
You want an example of a protest against Hezbollah? Lord, man, do you read the papers? How about a year ago when Beiruit was paralyzed by demonstrations after the assassination of Rafik Hariri. Those were mostly aimed at Syria--and Hezbollah, the Syrian regime's main backers in Lebanon. Many in Lebanon have strongly condemned Hezbollah's attacks on Israel and the destruction they've brought. You'd do well not to lump all Lebanese togethher.
For others, try the Muslim Peace Fellowship in the US, Muslim WakeUp, and the Progressive Muslim Union of North America. Try Neve al Shalom/Wahat al Salaam in Israel, or the Parents Circle. There are other examples, but those five should be enough to start. Enjoy your research.
And goodnight.
Disappointed,
Of course I believe that more than a tiny fraction of those people were pro-Hezbollah. The pro-Lebanon crowd (in which I include myself) is very happy that Lebanon is about to have a chance to be truly free, with no more control by Syria/Iran's Hezbollah. We are sad that Israel is killing some Lebanese civilians, but believe it is worth it to get rid of Hezbollah once and for all. Only supporters of the death cult Hezbollah are protesting (+ angry aging hippies, but I didn't see any of those in the video).
I would guess that every single person there was pro-Hezbollah. Except for the camera guy of course.
It is long past the time of telling Israel to have patience or to back off. Israel did not start this, she is simply defending herself. (Can you say Castle Doctrine?)
I am sick to death of the talking heads on tv & politicians-for-life (please go out & get a real job before you speak again!) asking Israel to make concessions. Those two entities will never admit just how much (& strong is the) support for Israel.
If Israel has to turn Lebanon, Iran & Syria into parking lots, well so be it. The others should be the ones making concessions. A lot of them! It should never again be Israel making concessions when she is attacked; been there, done that.
Obviously did not work.
May God be with you in this struggle against these terrorists.
I looked up some of your examples of Arab/Muslim "Salaam Now" organizations.
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Muslim Peace Fellowship
http://www.mpfweb.org/
Guest faculty include:
Elizabeth Cook-Lynn, Crow Creek Sioux poet, essayist and fiction writer
Rabia Terri Harris, founder of the Muslim Peace Fellowship and translator of several classic Sufi texts
Micheline Aharonian Marcom, author of two novels about the early 20th century Armenian genocide and displacement
Hozan Alan Senauke, Zen priest and past director of the Buddhist Peace Fellowship
Sandy Tolan, radio journalist and author of The Lemon Tree: An Arab, A Jew, and the Heart of the Middle East (just released).
Funny but I don't see any traditional Arab names. Fails my test.
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Muslim Wakeup
http://www.muslimwakeup.com/
I didn't see anything remotely chastizing actions of Hamas, Hezbuallh, Islamic Jihad etc. I did see a post mentioning Israel. "I Was Israels Dupe" - Tom Hayden.
Fails the test.
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Progressive Muslim Union of North America
http://www.pmuna.org/
I did see posts condeming the genocide happening in Muslim Sudan, against the bombing of the Al-Askari mosque in Iraq.
I saw no posts condeming violence against Israelis. This organization fails the test too.
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Neve al Shalom/Wahat al Salaam
http://nswas.org/
I see no mention of when their last protest of Arab terrorist organizations in the Palestinian Authority happened. No pictures, reports of such a protest.
Failed the test.
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Compare all your examples of an Arab/Muslim "Salaam Now" organization with "Peace Now".
http://www.peacenow.org/
http://www.peacenow.org.il/site/en/peace.asp?pi=69&docid=1684&pos=0
1. Peace Now respects the Palestinian people's democratic decision
Show me a website from an Arab/Muslim "Salaam Now" that respects the Israeli people's democratic decision, that denounces suicide bombing attacks, that recognizes Israel.
And now - a demonstration of the lack of intelligence of the opposition.
Baghwan J. says, oh my god, there were arabs present! better call the FBI!!!
/sarcasm
...and then menacingly says...
Joey, I'd like to see you say that to my face, Zionist coward.
Fuck off and die, terrorist.
And then - get this - he has the temerity to actually follow that up with this -
Disappointed, I'm afraid reason does not work well with partisan wingnuts. This board is likely full of Republican Zionists who think with their hearts and not their brains.
Hahahaha! Are you a friggin' joke Baghwan J.? You're a caricature of all that you claim to hate.
Well,..at least I know you'll never give me an intellectual run for the money. Instead, I can expect juvenile insults and hypocrisy from you. Congrats on your lack of success!
Am I the only one who sees a problem with the fact that the only claim the Jews have to Israel is the Bible? And that pushing, at gun point, Palestinian families off their rightfully owned land is morally wrong in both Christian and Judaic moral codes?
Disappointed:
I don't object to anything you've said on this thread. I wonder though -- do you think Islam is a religion like the other great religions? Or do you recognize the totalitarian threads that run right through the core of the Quran? Do you know that all the main schools of Islamic law prescribe death for apostasy? Are you aware of the canonical hadith (Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim) and what Muhammad is recorded as saying and doing in those hadith? Do you think it not particularly related to Islam that Freedom House records the group of countries with Muslim majorities to be the most backward in the world in terms of civil liberties and political rights? Do you know about the violent verses in Chapter 9 of the Quran, and why Muslim scholars say those violent verses abrogate the earlier verses of toleration? Do you know what the Quran's verses of "abrogation" are?
Did you know that when the Muslims ruled Spain, most non-Muslims there lived under a Jim Crow like social system involving many kinds of social discrimination? For example, non-Muslims had to wear special identifying clothes and pay a protection tax levied only on non-Muslims? The United States got rid of Jim Crow, but the second-class status of non-Muslims under Islam is taken to be based on the verbatim word of Allah in Islam. This is not something that can be amended -- not without a reformation of Islam far more radical than the one Luther worked on Christianity. Every living system has conservative and progressive elements -- but some systems have such a preponderance of one or the other as to be incapable of evolution, i.e., essentially totalitarian. In my view, Islam is such a system, and I am dead set against it.
Of course one can find commonalities between any two social systems and any two religions, because nothing is perfectly pure. But the question is about the overall pattern and trend. Muslim leadership, and the Quran and hadith, constitute a totalitarian system (in which many Muslims acquiesce) that seeks to take over Europe by demographic means (since Western arms cannot be defeated directly) in the coming decades. This is not a matter of merely spiritual persuasion, but of political domination.
I'm going to write an internet letter and post it on a site where people can copy it and easily send it to their politicians. The letter will document the various factual, historical and Quranic reasons Islam is a threat to non-Muslims and to liberal societies, and will urge politicians to require the following of all Muslim would-be immigrants: 1) that they sign an agreement renouncing the Jihad aspect of Islam, 2) that they renounce any attempt to bring Sharia (Islamic law) into the host country, 3) that they renounce any support for the supremacist aspect of Islam (it's intention to politically and legally subordinate non-Muslims). Then the letter will urge that any Muslims who in a court of law are proved to have violated their agreement will be subject to loss of citizenship.
I would put it in the form of a public petition instead of a letter to send privately to politicians, but I think too many people would be afraid to sign name and address to a public Islam-critical petition. Already a climate of fear in the U.S. has diminished the degree of objectivity of the U.S. press on the subject of Islam. Many journalists are afraid to say anything critical. Public opinion is already mildly anesthetized in a way that is largely invisible, not because journalists conspire to be hush-hush about Islam, but because a spontaneous journalistic order emerges out of the actions of countless cautious individuals acting independently to play it safe.
In Britain, a series of polls of British Muslims concluded that some 16,000 of them would be willing or even eager to engage in terrorism in Britain. Something approaching half of all British Muslims wanted to see Sharia (Islamic law) in Britain. Some 40% of all British Muslims said Western society was decadent and that Muslims should seek to bring it to an end -- most of that 40% said this should happen by non-violent means -- specifically, 32% of British Muslims said non-violent means should bring about the end of Western society in Britain, and 7% of British Muslims said violent means could be used.
If, on verifying these numbers, a Westerner does not realize that drastic change needs to take place on immigration questions, in my view that Westerner has his head and his whole body in the sand -- or might as well, since he is preparing the burial of his own liberal culture in the century to come.
Muslim Europeans reproduce very quickly as part of demographic jihad, much more quickly than traditional Europeans reproduce -- in fact the latter population is reproducing well below replacement rate. That reproduction differential, together with the fact that most of the world's refugees are apparently Muslims, may spell the end of European liberal civilization within a couple of generations.
I believe Mircea Eliade (the great historian of relgions) referred to this outcome in his memoirs. I read the reference some 30 years ago when i was a teenager, and had no idea what Eliade was referring to at the time, since he didn't mention Muslims (I think), and as I recall said only that he looked with melancholy on the prospect of his imaginings: that a third-world people would eventually dominate Europe and that the adventure of liberal European culture would be snuffed out. The whole adventure of the Renaissance and Reformation and Scientific Revolution and Enlightenment and so on and on, and all the writers and artists he loved would be forgotten and replaced by a static culture. In retrospect, I think now Eliade must have been referring to Muslims, because even when he wrote the passage in question, the Europeans had instituted a policy involving extensive immigration by Muslims to Europe. Eliade was perhaps the twentieth century's preeminent historian of religions, and a lover of liberal European civilization. He would have known very well about the anti-liberal elements dominating the core of Islam, just as he knew that there was an inherent link between the Judeo-Christian tradition and the discovery of the basis of liberal civilizations: I mean the discovery of the non-cyclical attitude to time (see Eliade's Cosmos and History), a discovery of linear history and therefore of the personal history without which the individual is not recognized. But probably you have heard all of this before, Disappointed, and simply disagree. Well, if so, we'll have to agree to disagree then. :)
Seva,
Actually I think there were a few "Protest Warriors" in the crowd. These are people on the Right who show up and crash the protests, mainly with signs that resemble the Leftists, but are really counter-protesters. In your video's there is a guy with a sign on a stick that runs across the street and joins the crowd, then you pan over to a cameraman snapping shots...I think they are Protest Warriors!!!
Keep up the good work, and never let these people intimidate you!
Baghwan J
I can say it to your face, islamonazi.
Just give me your address and phone number.
Stephen said...
"Am I the only one who sees a problem with the fact that the only claim the Jews have to Israel is the Bible?"
Yup, you are. Claims from as far back as the bible or Koran are bogus. Israelis purchased much of their land, and then conquered the rest, 60 years ago. That they are giving back some of the conquered land to the PLO and Hamas is strange, but I support it for reasons unrelated to this post.
Every time Israel gets attacked, they conquer more land. Luckily for the people of Lebanon, only Hezbollah attacked, not the Lebanese army. Otherwise Israel would have grown again. Don't help Israel grow by attacking it anymore. Otherwise you will end up with an Israel the size of the arabian peninsula.
Free Lebanon now! Hezbollah, get out of Lebanon, and allow the Lebanese people to be free and at peace! Peace and freedom for Lebanon forever! I apologize for all of the exclamation points, but Hezbollah has got to go, and go now!
Great Job Seva!
It's important for American Jews to stand up to the wanna-be anti-semite bullies. They are brave when they outnumber you 100-1 but 1 on 1 they are mostly cowards.
Stephen:
The issue is more complicated than that, the claim is better established, and the accusation you make is in at least some respects innacurate. If you can't answer the arguments and facts offered in The Case for Israel by Alan Dershowitz, then you should remain diffident about your position (in my opinion).
And besides Dershowitz I would add this: Israel certainly makes mistakes and should be criticized when it does, but the essential problem in Palestine is not Israel -- it is the totalitarian, uncompromising culture of Islam. The Palestinians would have had a state long ago if they had been able to conceive a non-violent approach and if they had the capacity to compromise and live with non-Muslims on terms of equality. But Islam seeks to dominate and teaches Muslims to dominate non-Muslims, not to compromise with them. If Islam compromises with non-Muslims, it is generally a tactical move.
Of course many individual Muslims do not seek to dominate -- but then many Muslims do not know what the Quran says and have only ever recited it in its original ancient Arabic, a language that even many modern Arabs do not fully understand. And of course most of the world's Muslims are not even Arabs, so understand even less of Quran recitations than does the average Arab. But the leadership of Islam understands that Islam is intended to subordinate the whole world, though that leadership will sometimes hide from Westerners the nature of the Quran and hadith and Islamic law.
But it is curious to me that people focus so much attention on Israel's alleged injustices and seem so uninterested in Sudan's Khartoum government, where Muslims have long been carrying out a true genocide, one responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, mass rape and enslavement. And why do people pay so little attention to the huge crimes of the Chinese government and the Iranian government and other truly brutal dictatorships? In Iran, a judge recently himself put the noose around the neck of a sixteen-year old girl before she was hung from a crane. Her crime? She was raped. For this she was prosecuted, because in Islam if there are not four witnesses to a rape, it can't be proved as a rape. Therefore she was guilty of sex outside of wedlock, which is a very serious offense in Iran. During the trial at one point she ripped off her hijab (a head cover or veil) and yelled at the judge that instead of prosecuting her he should be going after the man who raped her. The judge replied that for this outburst she would be hung and he would put the noose on her neck himself. And he did.
The disproportionate attention on Israel, which is an exemplary democratic state especially given the fact that it is surrounded by a collection of fascist states looking forward to the end of Israel, smacks to me of anti-semitism. I think anti-semitism, and Arab oil, and the lies of Middle Eastern dictatorships slandering Israel and the Jews, and some naive Westerners who cannot imagine that Muslim culture might not be as good or humane as their own, altogether combine to create an absurdly exaggerated focus on Israel's alleged injustices. Israel is one of the least unjust states in the world. With Israel's survival at stake, its supreme court nevertheless outlawed even the infliction of the sort of discomfort the United States sometimes permits or used to permit in interrogations of enemy combatants (being made to sit in an uncomfortable position, loud music, etc.) Palestinian Israeli citizens of Israel-proper have more rights and freedoms than peoples in the states all around Israel. The problem is not Israel. It is the 1400 year old Islamic jihad's totalitarian ethos.
I plan on creating a bumper sticker stating: "DUARDO FOR PRESIDENT"
Wow, all of my posts appear to have been deleted! Is this the work of Hezbollah?
I am astounded by the lack of police presence at something such as this. If this had been New York City, there wouldve been tons of police, uniform and plain clothes. That scuffle with the camera wouldve been attended to immediately. Can someone please answer the Boston Police procedure as to the lack of presence? BTW You're a pretty gutsy guy to have been there on your own like that. Kudos to you. If I were you I would not do that again, as they may keep you in mind at the next rally, go with some people next time.
I always find it amusing how the word "hate" rolls off leftist tongues. especially disturbing was the adolescent male child in the last clip who seemed comfortable using the phrase, "i hate zionists". bloody hitler youth.
hi,
i am a liberal and its very embarrasing to see people who i am supposedly aligned with acting in such a manner. i certainly dont chant for israels death nor for hizbollahs victory and i dont understand those, especially those that do not come from the region, believing such things.
DUARDO: Excellent posts.
As well, my compliments to those who engaged in a civil debate.
This is a very interesting slant on the rally I believe I was at on Friday in Boston. Perhaps there are two places in Boston that look exactly alike? The rally was long and peaceful, dare I say, boring, and there were a number of Jewish people these, one group of whom I was standing with - interestingly enough you seem to have missed them entirely. So you filmed a minor disagreement you had with one person, who was upset because you were essentially crshing the peace rally and filming people with negative intent, as is obvious in every sentence of your above writing. The situation was in part escalated by your own rudeness. You will notice most of the crowd in the first clip is just standing there calmly listening to the speaker - hardly the massive violent Muslim Israel haters who are frothing at the mouth image you would like to convey. Maybe to complete your slanted coverage of this rally, you should have left that bit out.
Seva,
I support you and commend you on your efforts to show the truth about these fanatics, good job!
If you need back up at any of these rallies/mobs please feel free to contact me. Credentials provided upon request.
http://lord-of-kobol.blogspot.com/
you're a brave man and I applaud your courage and jewish pride
Thanks for sharing this information. It is disgusting how these pro-Hizbollah folks can get away with hate speech and the media just turn their heads and pretend not to see anything.
Keep up your good work at exposing these hatemongers.
nice work, I would of lost my cool and fought back. Good job showing them for what they really are hatefull.
Chilling just chilling! I watched the videos over and over because I just could not understand or face the fact that here in America these people who hate are under our noses. If I were there with you believe me I would have stood up with you and I am like you, where the heck was one single American? Scared? In our own land they are scared? God bless you.
I love the picture of the Green-Rainbow party goon. Check out this slight modification of his sign http://clarkmtnmusings.blogspot.com/2006/07/pro-hezbollah-rally-in-boston-they.html
Gaby, I'm not a Muslim, and I'm not giving you my address. Give me YOUR address.
I'm not surprised at this happening in Boston. Sadly, we have more than our share of nut-jobs looking for the issue de jour. You see the same people at every event. Minimum wage rallies, illegal immigrant rallies, anti-war, legalize pot, save the whatevers.
Seva, You should have joined us in Sharon, Mass. on Wed. July 19 for a pro-Israel rally. I was driving by and decided to stop and show my support. Incidently, I'm Catholic.
How is marching against war a "nutjob" activity?
When the people you're supporting are murderous thugs who have been given every chance for peace, but only know how to kill.
Great work!. This country needs more like you.
Excellent work! Shows the true colors of the anti-Zionist radicals amongst us for those who have been unable (or unwilling) to see it before.
This country will need internment camps when the war on terror inevitably heats up. So many people showing at the most benign, sympathy for terrorists, and at the most malevolent support for terrorists. Will they support hezballah when their sleepers in the USA get activated from tehran?
Thank You.
Excellent work! Expose these people for who they really are ..... RACISTS! That kid in your last video is a wannabe nazi.
So-called palestinians and assorted other ishmaelites aren't fighting Israel over land so much as they are fighting Israel becaused they have a visceral hatred on the Jewish people.
Fight the good fight. Force is the only language these people understand.
Seditious leftists allied with Muslim hate-mongers in Boston or anywhere else pose more than free speech issues. Absent police protection for "dissenters from dissent", plus security-force surveillance of violent demonstrators to prevent intimidation and record the worst inciters, how can anyone contend that these are not Brown Shirts out of uniform?
Our naive solution would be to visit Boston's local FBI Headquarters, beard the city's municipal Director in his den, and demand answers regarding who/what/where/when/why our vaunted Bureau --expert at targeting Branch Davidians-- cringes and quails at monitoring self-described terrorist sympathizers bent on demoralizing citizens in wartime?
Denials, shocked disbelief that anyone would question J. Edgar's heirs, finally harassment of the questioner, are entirely predictable. Our putative defenders/protectors are in fact so politicized, so riddled with PCBS (as it is called), that your Director would most likely faint away if called upon to render "value judgements"-- such as, that packs of demonstrators have legal as well as moral obligations to respect the rights of others.
My personal experience with chanting dolts goes back to 1965, when Uncle Ho was much in vogue. Now it's Hezbollah, and the "Ya, Allah" crowd. Uniformly of the same totalitarian persuasion... where political will is lacking to oppose such creeps, from Boston's malfeasant FBI on down, they will be emboldened to the point where Brown Battalions swing to the Horst Wessel Lied again. Islamofascists have not found a Fuhrer yet, but give 'em time.
Ally isolationism with collectivist Statism on a salad-bed of Salafist propaganda with terrorist croutons-- probably won't take more than three to five years at this rate. And where are we while this wave rears up? Like Godot, waiting for the Boston police, the FBI, for anybody. When no-one shows, will Paul Revere ride again?
Beyond a certain point, even in Massachusetts we could see "one if by land" redux. When government shrinks to merely "of the people", and terrorists pose stark threats, a new and markedly more realist generation may act to save itself. Their fathers did.
I do not go to rallies (being that I am in Japan) so I do not know the legalities of them. Since they are taking place in public areas (outside) are you not allowed to chronical the event? Since they have to right to free speach, do you not have the right to yours? Seems a bit hypocritical.
What a bunch of losers; no arguments, no thoughts-- only name-calling and abuse. You must have needed a long shower after standing so close to them!