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Thursday, June 28, 2007

Arnold Roth emails:

Today's [Yesterday now. -S] New York Times carries a review of a film called "Hot House" that goes inside Israeli prisons and examines the lives of Palestinian prisoners. We're not recommending the film or the review. But we do want to share our feelings with you about the beaming female face that adorns the article. You can see it here.

The film is produced by HBO. So it's presumably HBO's publicity department that was responsible for creating and distributing a glamor-style photograph of a smiling, contented-looking young woman in her twenties to promote the movie.

That female is our child's murderer. She was sentenced to sixteen life sentences or 320 years which she is serving in an Israeli jail. Fifteen people were killed and more than a hundred maimed and injured by the actions of this attractive person and her associates. The background is here.

Neither the New York Times nor HBO are likely to give even a moment's attention to the victims of the barbarians who destroyed the Sbarro restaurant in Jerusalem and the lives of so many victims. So we would be grateful if you would pass along this link to some pictures of our daughter whose name was Malki. She was unable to reach her twenties - Hamas saw to that.

Though she was only fifteen years old when her life was stolen from her and from us, we think Malki was a beautiful young woman, living a beautiful life. We ask your help so that other people - far fewer than the number who will see the New York Times, of course - can know about her. Please ask your friends to look at the pictures - some of the very few we have - of our murdered daughter. They are at http://www.kerenmalki.org/photo.htm

And remind them of what the woman in the Israeli prison - the woman smiling so happily in the New York Times - said last year. "I'm not sorry for what I did. We'll become free from the occupation and then I will be free from prison."

With so many voices demanding that Israel release its terrorist prisoners, small wonder she's smiling.

With greetings from Jerusalem,
Frimet and Arnold Roth
On behalf of Keren Malki

Note that I have audio of Arnold Roth speaking here, or in the player in the right side-bar.



95 Comments

This smiling young woman, so blithe in her happiness, reminds of the following excerpt in this Brigitte Gabriel piece:

"We are fighting a powerful ideology that is capable of altering basic human instincts. An ideology that can turn a mother into a launching pad of death. A perfect example is a recently elected Hamas official in the Palestinian Territories who raves in heavenly joy about sending her three sons to death and offering the ones who are still alive for the cause. It is an ideology that is capable of offering highly educated individuals such as doctors and lawyers far more joy in attaining death than any respect and stature, life in society is ever capable of giving them."

But read the whole thing as it accurately describes the wider set of phenomena.

What a terrible loss.

HBO is incredibly liberal. To them terrorists are heroes.

I am always baffled that Zionist interlopers believe that they have the right to live in peace and security in a stolen country, generally on stolen land and often in stolen homes after plundering, murdering and expelling the native population.

See http://eaazi.blogspot.com for more information.

Martillo, it always amazes me that antisemites like you think you have the right to draw oxygen from the air. Do the world a favor and stop.

It always amazes me that Zionists believe that Jews have the right to plunder and to kill non-Jews with impunity.

Could this inability to distinguish right from wrong on the part of Zionists and problably most Jews in the world explain why hatred is increasing toward Jews that refuse to make categorical condemnation and excoriation of the State of Israel, Zionism, Jewish extremism and Jewish racism?

It always amazes me that Zionists believe that Jews have the right to plunder and to kill non-Jews with impunity.

Could this inability to distinguish right from wrong on the part of Zionists and problably most Jews in the world explain why hatred is increasing toward Jews that refuse to make categorical condemnation and excoriation of the State of Israel, Zionism, Jewish extremism and Jewish racism?

Here are some pictures of the results of US aid to the racist Zionist state: http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/2292 .

Theses images help explain why the world hates the State of Israel and the USA that makes such atrocities possible.

Patriotic Americans should insist upon at least the denaturalization of racist Zionists that have used wealth and positions of influence to manipulate the USA to support the State of Israel, Israeli genocidalism, and Zionism (ethnic Ashkenazi Nazism).

Many American Zionists must be arrested for treason and should be sent to places like Guantanamo where they can be interrogated under Dershowitzian principles to learn the extent of their crimes and disloyalty against the USA, fundamental American principles, and their fellow citizens.

They should write this up in a letter to the New York Times, since it is about a review of the times. The Times might well print it, given that these are parents of the victims.

Martillo, apart from showing that you're a nutcase and a waste of oxygen, it seems not to have occured to you, being so driven mad by yoru racism against Ashkenazis, that Keren Malki was not one.

But keep talking. Show the whole world what a hate-driven nutcase you are.

Joachim,

where do you live? In the United States, on lands stolen forn AmerIndians? In Latin america on lands stolen form Los Indios? Perhaps in Spain on land stolen from the Basque people? I ask because, you know, the Basques and the Navajo and the apache are still around and would like you to give it back.

Zionists, on the other hand live on land that has been Jewish for about 3,300 years. True, there were Canaanites once, but they are no more. there are only Jews, who are the oldest people in the Levant, and Arabs who got there in the seventh century - by stealing the land form Greeks and Jews and Armaic speaking Christians.

Now, can we return to a rational discussion, stop speaking about "stealing" land, and get back to talking about peaceful co-existence?

Martillo,
YOu must be a member of the death cult that is Islam to be so ignorant. Mohamed was a snake oil salemen no different than L. Ron Hubbard. There are no palistinians in the occupied territories, only Jordainians and Egyptians. The Jordainians have killed far more so called palistinians than Israel has.

Joachim,

Did you notice that the people you claim were subject to a genocide still exist? Jews must be the worst murderers in the world. They do not even succeed in genocide when they win all the necessary wars.

Or perhaps the Zionists's goal was not genocide? But I assume you have already rejected that answer and are now trying to figure out why the Palestinian Arabs are still alive. Because of their heroic fight against 15-year old Jewish girls, probably.

Israel is, of course, still alive because of her victories against Arab armies. That must be hard to accept for the other side.

Why exactly would Jews not have the right to defend themselves?

Joachim,

Did you notice that you are the only one here accusing an entire people of a certain (made-up) crime? Do you even know what racism is?

Wow -- who is the Nazi "Joachim"? Sieg Heil Komrad.

Clearly he's getting his ideas straight from Mein Kampf.

Though I note is careful not to mention the compulsory wearing of the Yellow Star for all those "forced" "denauturaizations" -- which I presume is also code for extermination.

Keep talking Jew hater, so everyone can understand the sort of people who support the "Palestinian" entity.

And Joachim (is that a German name? How much land did the Germans steal over the years? Ok, never mind..), the Jews did not "steal" land from the Palestinians. The land that was to be the State of Israel (after the UN representatives finally threw up their hands in defeat, concluding that the Arabs would never compromise even in the slightest) in the UN partition plan was made up of areas for the most part where Jews were in the majority, after having BOUGHT the land, from willing Arab sellers (who charged exorbitant prices, based on the inflated market), or Crown land, purchased from the British, or the Turks before them. After establishing their modern state, and (miraculously) surviving the onslaught from the combined might of several hostile nations, the Israelis captured land from the aggressors. Never has it been the case that the winners in a defensive war should give back territory, absent a treaty of peace with the losers. Since the Arabs never seem to acknowledge their losses (indeed, every one of their spectacular defeats is somehow spun as a "glorious victory"), the Israelis are left with no one with whom to make peace. Except, of course, the one country that did make peace - Egypt - which promptly regained its occupied lands. There's a lesson there, no doubt one you'll ignore.

This is why I don't allow comments like Joachim's on my blog.

Waste of time, space, bits, and breath.

Nothing you say will stop his broken record responses.

Martillo, Arabs never had it so good as when Israel took over administration of the territories Jordan and Egypt abandoned. Too bad they couldn't accept the hundredfold increase in quality of life that ensued.

Bwahahahahah - Joachim Martillo: still the same savage Jew-hating lunatic you were five years ago, when you were posting as JOMAR on the Yahoo Israeli-Palestinian message board.

Remember me, Jomie? You still under the delusion that Zionists have invaded your underwear?

Ome man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Circa 2000-2002, I spent fruitless hours arguing with Joachim Martillo on Yahoo news chat lines. Don't make the same mistake, he is irredeemable.

borgboy sez he can be amusing however, in a Latino-Fascist kind of way. :)

You have to understand the mindstate of idiots like Joachim Martillo. Muslims hold that once they occupy a land, it is forever Muslim after that. They still can't get over the fact that Spain isn't called Andalusia. That's why they believe that some imaginary people called "Palestinians" squatting on land that is really Jordan, somehow deserve a new state.

Boy it must suck to be life's losers.

#20 borgboy2001

Holy Moses, this is old home night, isn't it?

I well remember those memorable days when Jomie enriched the Yahoo I/P message board with his Thorazine-addled rants.

For those who don't know Jomie: do a google search on him. His is a truly, truly sad case.

It is amazing to me that the Muslims think that they have a permanent right to any land that they conquered. Sorry, but the other side conquered it back. They are at present more entitled to it than you are. I think that the Christians should start to demand the right of return to Turkey. Its about on the same line of reasoning. Sorry gang, but the geography is not a roach motel. If the Palestinians bothered to take as much time and effort building stuff as they do killing each other and the Israelis, they would be a lot better off. Since the rest of the world is Dar al-Harb to the Muslims, get ready for some pushback. You may not like it, but tough. Some of the rest of us get some target practice time in too you know.

Some enlightening background on Mr. Martillo:

http://somervillemejustice.com/marriage.html

A young jewish girl dies. A young arab girls dies. Why can't it just be a young girl? I'm just about done hearing both sides babble back and forth. To hell with both religions! As people why can't Palestinian take a few lessons from the Israel and become a productive state and stop sucking up international welfare from the world. For what both of you spend on weapons you could build a civilization that could become the jewel of the Middle East. Just get to the all out fight or shut up!

Joachim Martillo I hope that you martyr yourself and fast. Paradise awaits.

For anyone wondering just who this guy is.....

http://members.aol.com/karima4483/resume_c.html

Hmmm. "Can't hold a job...."

#22 - I see you remain incisive as ever! Joachim and that Dr. Pierce fanatic follower could literally verbalize the froth coming out of their mouths. :)

Good to hear from you!

"Muslims hold that once they occupy a land, it is forever Muslim after that."

What's ours is ours; what's yours is Allah's, and needs to be cleared to make way for Him.

For anyone wondering just who this guy is.....

Link...

Hmmm. "Can't hold a job...."
#27 Posted by: Capt. Video at June 29, 2007 2:34 PM

I followed your link to his resume. Being in the high tech field for over 20 years, I can see its pretty much just an adventure in creative acronyms. There's a few interesting things listed, but considering most of the rest is just playing with various PC's, color me skeptical. Any one who's done any significant programming in "assembler" language knows its spelled "assembler" and not "assembly."

"What's ours is ours; what's yours is Allah's, and needs to be cleared to make way for Him."

I can't tell if that was an attempt at satire or you were being serious. Either way it made me laugh.

kol hakovod ltzal

g-d bless the israeli army for with out it arabi would have had there genocide of jews.

Martillo, how do you spell "T R O L L "?

I am amazed that people like Joachim Martillo believe they can make the comments they do without serious repercussions. Joachim, keep picking on Jews. One day you'll learn the meaning of "never again."

Powerful post.

To clarify, the documentary is airing on Cinemax, not HBO.

TimesWatch has a take on the moral equivalency of the Times' reviewer who called suicide bombers "warriors": http://www.timeswatch.org/articles/2007/20070627133338.aspx

Hey, Abu Andalus, MY ancestors are Spanish. We took back our land from you "Al-andalus" Arabs after a 700 year "occupation". My Great,great VERY great Grandfather Probably dragged your Great grandfather to the top of a minaret and threw him off to his death and his 72 Uni-brow whores. I live in shame cause ill never be able to measure up to that. But if you're willing to give me a chance... maybe? Dont let me down. Viva Los Matamoros!

That woman is attractive? Maybe if she were in a niqab.

American so-called "liberals" are nazis, pure and simple. The New York Times loves muslim killers of innocent civilians.

God bless the Roth family. All peace and freedom loving people support you.

Joachim Martillo
Quick maryter yourself all those virgins await you and they look like Michael moore and have peckers down to there knees.

NOTHING.
NO political cause, not even "freedom" justifies killing non-combatant teenager girls in a pizza parlor.
NOTHING.
Savage, un-holy murderers who commit these crimes belong rotting away in prison. Death penalty is too good (quick) for them.
I too am tired of the incessant bickering and killing but some things are completely un acceptable morally.

Why do people kill each other based on a delusional belief in religious fairy tales?

Sincerest condolences to the Roths, whose reaction is a bit premature:

Premature, because if they'd seen the line of questioning in the movie that culminated in the smile shown above, their horror would surpass anyone's ability to describe. The exchange preceding it unfolds like this:

INTERVIEWER: Do you know how many children were killed in the attack on the pizzeria?
TAMIMI: Three. I heard three.
(A pause)
INTERVIEWER: Eight.
TAMIMI: Eight? Really?

And she beams. We see the image above.

Not easy to watch - at least, without your jaw dropping.

NOTHING.
NO political cause, not even "freedom" justifies killing non-combatant teenager girls in a pizza parlor.

Posted by: Italo Rick

Tell That to the IDF next time they bomb Lebanon indiscriminately

Joachim - I know who you are. I know where you are. I know what you are.

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"Ariel Sharon" - The IDF is extremely discriminating about who, where, and what it bombs. Maybe your boytoys in HizbAllah should have thought about that before they became terrorist scumbags.

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Both of you can FOAD.

ARMAGEDDON
TIME,
R

"Muslims hold that once they occupy a land, it is forever Muslim after that."

What's ours is ours; what's yours is Allah's, and needs to be cleared to make way for Him.
#29 Posted by: Abu Andalus
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Sounds more like a cockroach infestation...

"Ariel Sharon"

More better that the brave jihadi warriors of allah not hide in the middle of women and children.

Kinda sorta like sending a mother to a checkpoint with a baby with 4 lb of C4 in his diaper and complaining if it goes off WITHOUT killing any JOOOOOOS.

No 72 virgins for that little grabber, huh??

BTW, "Ariel". Interesting choice of a nic.

Since the dreaded JOOOOOOOS left Gaza, plenty people there wishing for the "good old days" when they could live in relative prosperity and safety, you betcha !!!

Hamas behind the trees and Fatah behind the rocks and BOTH calling out "come and kill the loser hiding behind me" ?????

Idiots just push me the wrong way....

Apologies to the rest of those here and my prayers to the family of and for the peace of Keren Malki.

CRUSADER VIEWPOINT

"Arabs who got there in the seventh century - by stealing the land form Greeks and Jews and Armaic speaking Christians."

"Now, can we return to a rational discussion, stop speaking about "stealing" land, and get back to talking about peaceful co-existence?"

No, we can't. There will never be peace until we've regained every last inch of land stolen from us by Muslim imperialists and colonialists.

Turkey, the Levant, and North Africa belong to western Christians and Jews, not to Muslim invaders, and we will drive them back to Arabia and reclaim what is ours, if it takes 10,000 years, .

The reconquest of Israel, and the overthrow of Muslim rule there, is just a step towards that goal.

Nice blog, btw.

"this attractive person"

I fear that your eyes aren't functioning correctly. That isn't an attractive person, it's a rabid Hamas animal...not attractive at all.

Actually, I wish Israel did bomb Lebanon indiscriminately. Then those fake Reuters photos would have made more sense.

I also wish there really was a Jenin Massacre. Instead, all we got was a photo op with Green Helmet Guy and Rage Boy.

I mean, if Israel is going to get accused of stuff like bombing UN ambulances by every MSM outlet when it was merely a setup job where muslim skum ripped off the siren light and beat it up with k-bars, then perhaps Israel should actually be guilty first.

But naw, lies work better.

And when Israel 'stole' or 'occupied' the land, we needn't mention it was purchased by recognized land deeds. Why do that? Its so much easier to just cinch up my red suspenders and run the Flo Bee over my skull, take off my shirt and rub it down with Wesson, then dance to techno music at the gay Hitler rave.

Israel's judicial policies have long ceased to have any deterrent effect. The problem arises because there is no death penalty. If murder were punished by swift execution, Israeli lives would be far better protected. Also, the expansion of punishment to include family members of murderers and other co-conspirators in crime would reestablish deterrence in an effective way even in the case of so-called suicide bombings.

I have watched the Roths from a distance for a few years. They have turned their tragidy into good works. I want to suggest that people who are moved by their story go and visit their website kerenmalki.org and see how to help remember their murdered daughter by supporting families who care for a disabled child. The Roths do this for hundreds of children and don't seem to distinguish between a child who is Jewish or Muslim or Christian or other. its an inspiration.

I Just know one thing> NO ISRAELI MOTHER WILL SEND HER CHILD WITH STRAP BOMB TO HIS BODY TO KILL HIMSELF AND OTHES! BUT THE ARAB PARENTS DO JUST THAT! GIVE ME A BREK ISRAEL ALWAYS CONTRIBUTE TO EVERYTHING from technologies to medicine from colture to saving lifes but what the arabs did just kill and lied... there wasn't any Plesine before Israel check for yourselves in the History books! But somehow it is so much easy to hate the jews that to spend little time to check the facts!!!!!!
Nadia

Wouldnt it be simple if we could solve Israel's problems here on this site. Or if we could weed out the idiots and the nutters even. But we can't so ignore them and keep up your excellent work of defending the only democratic state in the middle east As for the Roth family, may G-d bless them and protect them from any more pain They are such couragous and warm people. May their daughter Malki (of blessed memory) rest in peace

The below statistics (after my rant) says it all -- And Joachim Martillo -- take your satan inspired religion and shove it.... Even the alleged "golden age" of Islam...was only due to you barbarians conquering more advanced societies, and as Sharia was imposed, those societies crumbled into the dungheaps of what is now "muslim society". Quit blaming the west and Israel. The cause of your backwardness is Islam, and your "prophet" is rotting in hell.
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Interesting Statistics...
Interesting comparison of the middle east -
The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000, or 20% of the worlds population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
>
>Literature:
>1988 - Najib Mahfooz
>
>Peace:
>1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
>1994 - Yaser Arafat:
>1990 - Elias James Corey
>1999 - Ahmed Zewa
>
>Economics:
>
>(none)
>
>Medicine:
>
>1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
>1998 - Ferid Mourad
>

****

The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000, or about 0.02% of the world population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
>
>Literature:
>1910 - Paul Heyse
>1927 - Henri Bergson
>1958 - Boris Pasternak
>1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
>1966 - Nelly Sachs
>1976 - Saul Bellow
>1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
>1981 - Elias Canetti
>1987 - Joseph Brodsky
>1991 - Nadine Gordimer World
>
>Peace:
>1911 - Alfred Fried
>1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
>1968 - Rene Cassin
>1973 - Henry Kissinger
>1978 - Menachem Begin
>1986 - Elie Wiesel
>1994 - Shimon Peres
>1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
>
>Physics:
>1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
>1906 - Henri Moissan
>1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
>1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
>1910 - Otto Wallach
>1915 - Richard Willstaetter
>1918 - Fritz Haber
>1921 - Albert Einstein
>1922 - Niels Bohr
>1925 - James Franck
>1925 - Gustav Hertz
>1943 - Gustav Stern
>1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
>1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
>1952 - Felix Bloch
>1954 - Max Born
>1958 - Igor Tamm
>1959 - Emilio Segre
>1960 - Donald A. Glaser
>1961 - Robert Hofstadter
>1961 - Melvin Calvin
>1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
>1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
>1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
>1965 - Julian Schwinger
>1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
>1971 - Dennis Gabor
>1972 - William Howard Stein
>1973 - Brian David Josephson
>1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
>1976 - Burton Richter
>1977 - Ilya Prigogine
>1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
>1978 - Peter L. Kapitza
>1979 - Stephen Weinberg
>1979 - Sheldon Glashow
>1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
>1980 - Paul Berg
>1980 - Walter Gilbert
>1981 - Roald Hoffmann
>1982 - Aaron Klug
>1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
>1985 - Jerome Karle
>1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
>1988 - Robert Huber
>1988 - Leon Lederman
>1988 - Melvin Schwartz
>1988 - Jack Steinberger
>1989 - Sidney Altman
>1990 - Jerome Friedman
>1992 - Rudolph Marcus
>1995 - Martin Perl
>2000 - Alan J. Heeger
>
>Economics:
>1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
>1971 - Simon Kuznets
>1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
>1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
>1976 - Milton Friedman
>1978 - Herbert A. Simon
>1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
>1985 - Franco Modigliani
>1987 - Robert M. Solow
>1990 - Harry Markowitz
>1990 - Merton Miller
>1992 - Gary Becker
>1993 - Robert Fogel
>
>Medicine:
>
>1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
>1908 - Paul Erlich
>1914 - Robert Barany
>1922 - Otto Meyerhof
>1930 - Karl Landsteiner
>1931 - Otto Warburg
>1936 - Otto Loewi
>1944 - Joseph Erlanger
>1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
>1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
>1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
>1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
>1952 - Selman Abra ham Waksman
>1953 - Hans Krebs
>1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
>1958 - Joshua Lederberg
>1959 - Arthur Kornberg
>1964 - Konrad Bloch
>1965 - Francois Jacob
>1965 - Andre Lwoff
>1967 - George Wald
>1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
>1969 - Salvador Luria
>1970 - Julius Axelrod
>1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
>1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
>1975 - Howard Martin Temin
>1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
>1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
>1978 - Daniel Nathans
>1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
>1984 - Cesar Milstein
>1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
>1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
>1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
>1988 - Gertrude Elion
>1989 - Harold Varmus
>1991 - Erwin Neher
>1991 - Bert Sakmann
>1993 - Richard J. Roberts
>1993 - Phillip Sharp
>1994 - Alfred Gilman
>1995 - Edward B. Lewis

The Jews are not promoting brain washing the children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non-Muslims. The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics. The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all
the Infidels.

Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel's part, the following two sentences really say it all:
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel

THANK YOU SO MUCH JOJOJAMS FOR THAKING THE TIME TO REVILE THE SIMPLICITY OF THE TRUTH, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR BLESSED WISDOM AS NO ONE COULDN'T SAY IT BETTER...
NADIA

Genocidal Zionist interlopers, racist subversive ethnic Ashkenazi Americans and their panderers self-indoctrinate with fantasies based on delusions.

Eastern European ethnic Ashkenazim are far more genuinely a Taetervolk than Germans ever were even under the German Nazi Regime. This ongoing discussion shows the vicious murderous hatred and rage that simply oozes from the subversive and traitorous ethnic Ashkenazi Americans. They act out of pure self-presevervation because the larger American society will revenge itself on them once it realizes the extent to which ethnic Ashkenazi Americans have conned the USA and how much ethnic Ashkenazi racists have cost us by manipulating the USA into supporting the State of Israel to the benefit of Israel and ethnic Ashkenazi tribalism but to the detriment of genuine American interests.

The Pattern of Ethnic Ashkenazi Genocidalism: The Jewish Century by Yuri Slezkine ( http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2007/02/pattern-of-ethnic-ashkenazi.html )

The Jewish Century targets the popular audience more than scholars because a lot of the common beliefs that Yuri Slezkine debunks were long ago disproved in scholarly journals. The book is not really a detailed history, and it has some serious flaws because Slezkine, a history professor at UC Berkeley and specialist in the Soviet period, does not read Yiddish or Hebrew(+). The value of Slezkine's Apollonian/Mercurian interpretive framework is questionable, for it identifies Eastern European Ashkenazim and Eastern European Romany as anthropologically similar.

The book is a sort of extended essay or memoir-like reflection of the role of Soviet Jews (more precisely Soviet Ethnic Ashkenazim) during 20s and 30s when Russian Ethnic Ashkenazim became the quintessential Soviet nationality. They lost this privileged status after the establishment of the State of Israel because at that point Russian ethnic Ashkenazim could claim a homeland outside the Soviet Union just like Soviet Chinese, Estonians, Finns, Germans, Iranians, Koreans, Kurds, Latvians and Poles, who were all persecuted and deported internally during the 1920s-30s often under the supervision of Soviet ethnic Ashkenazi officials in an official policy of alienization.(++)

Slezkine clearly mourns the passing of the Golden Age of Soviet Russian Ashkenazim in 1948 and hates Zionism with obvious venom, for every reference in the book to Zionism and to any Zionist leader is full of scorn.

Yet, he clearly misses the fundamental similarity in thinking and behavior of Soviet Russian Ashkenazim and Zionist Russian Ashkenazim.

On p. 310-311 he tells the following story of the Markish family.

For the first time, the Soviet state had turned on some of its loyal and privileged subjects [Russian ethnic Ashkenazim] according to a clear -- and apparently non-Soviet -- principle. [Slezkine discusses the issue somewhat differently, but Stalin and other non-Jewish Soviet officials probably felt that they had been swindled by politically connected ethnic Ashkenazim into granting de facto recognition to the State of Israel.] For the first time, Hodl and her children [a reference to Sholem Aleichem's character Tevye the Milkman] found themselves among the aliens. For the first time, many of them began to doubt their Soviet faith -- and the culpability of previous aliens. As Ester Markish put it,
Only our own grief made us realize the horror of our lives in general: not only the suffering of the Jews or the suffering of the intelligentsia, but the suffering of the whole country and all the social groups and peoples that lived in it. After the arrest of [Perets] Markish, our maid, who had lived in our house for more than fifteen years and had, in effect, become a member of our family, said to me: "You are crying now, but you did not mind when my father was being dekulakized, martyred for no reason at all, and my whole family thrown out in the street?"
Ethnic Ashkenazi Soviet officials played the main and leading role in dekulakization/collectivization. Very few (I can only identify one with certainty) have ever expressed regret for their actions, which lead to the death by starvation of approximately 7 million people (all non-Jews of course).

Just as the Soviet elite (often Russian ethnic Ashkenazim) made native populations of the Russian Empire aliens in their own country, stole everything they had, deported them, and murdered them, likewise Zionist Russian ethnic Ashkenazim made the native population of Palestine aliens in their own country, stole everything they had, deported them, and murdered them.

We have here two levels of obliviousness: the inability of the author Slezkine to perceive the similarity of Soviet Russian ethnic Ashkenazim to Zionist Russian ethnic Ashkenazim in their thinking and behavior as well as the complete unawareness of the Markish family about the true feelings of their maid.

I attended a panel discussion at Harvard on The Jewish Century and afterward spoke with Steven Zipperstein, who was one of the panel members. He is The Daniel E. Koshland Professor in Jewish Culture and History and Co-Director of Jewish Studies at Stanford University.

I described the reaction of the reviewer from the Israeli Paper Yediot Aharonot (Late News) to Hanna Elias' movie The Olive Harvest, which is a love story/family drama set in the context of the Israeli occupation of the West Bank. One of the characters early in the movie remarks that the settlements are a cancer on the land. The reviewer completely missed the movie's story, and only expressed shock and outrage that Palestinians would actually say and believe that "we Israelis are a cancer on the land."

I would almost equate the reviewer's obliviousness to Palestinian hostility to the Markish family's lack of awareness of the maid's anger except that after working in Israel and the Occupied Territories for 10 years, I cannot believe that any Israeli would be surprised by the hatred of Palestinians. I have to consider the reviewer to have been posturing in order to portray Hanna as some sort of propagandist.

Zipperstein only remarked sarcastically that Slezkine gets the translations wrong and a reviewer from the Israeli paper Haaretz (The Land), would have agreed with the Palestinian character. The blindness of the Markish family and the convenient obliviousness of Zionists seems to persist as denial among ethnic Ashkenazi Americans like Professor Zipperstein.

(+) Because of his lack of Hebrew and Yiddish, Slezkine misinterprets the phrase Loshen Kaudesh, which is just one German Jewish pronunciation of Leshon Qodesh (Holy Language). The term is not a pun on the German dialect pronunciation of Kuh as Kau as Slezkine claimed. Cattle dealer jargon was usually called Loshen.

(++) The whining of American Ashkenazim and Russian ethnic Ashkenazim about mistreatment since the 1950s was somewhat hypocritical because treatment of Russian ethnic Ashkenazim was hardly unique in the Soviet Union. In fact after the establishment of the State of Israel, the Soviet Union applied a formula to Russian ethnic Ashkenazim that had for the most part been developed by Russian ethnic Ashkenazim for other nationalities within the Soviet Union. Russian ethnic Ashkenazim were angry that they were being hoist upon their own petard. It is hard to sympathize.

NOTE 1

Slezkine uses Tevye the Milkman's daughter Chava as a symbol for American Russian ethnic Ashkenazim and Zionist Russian ethnic Ashkenazim. I may misremember, but I believe that Chava committed suicide with Tevye's help in a later short story. I guess there really is no going back, but as a non-Jewish relatively disinterested observer -- who reads Yiddish -- I consider the Yiddishists and Zionists just as much metaphorically patricidal as the first generation of Soviet Russian ethnic Ashkenazim. Tevye also has a tremendous anger toward traditional Eastern European Jewish culture, and I have the impression it is rather common in members of his generation even if they could not break from the tradition.

NOTE 2

While I was not impressed by Professor Zipperstein's sensitivity to Palestinian feelings, he is actually one of the better historians of Russian Ashkenazim. I can recommend his book entitled, The Jews of Odessa, A Cultural History, 1794-1881, with the qualification that his focus on the Jews of Odessa is sometimes too narrow. He describes the conflicts of Odessan Jews with other Odessan ethnic groups but never seems to have researched such conflicts from the standpoint of any group but that of the Jews.

JOACHIM MARTILLO>>>> SO MANY WORDS, SO MUCH ANGER AND SO MUCH NOTHING! THE TRUTH IS SIMPLE AND SHORT, BUT THE HATE IS NEVER ENDING LIKE A LIE....

I agree the truth is short.

Racist Eastern Europeans stole Palestine from the native population.

They have conned America into supporting them in their crimes.

Palestinians have every right to attack the murderous genocidal thieves and interlopers while genuine patriotic Americans have every right to seek the denaturalization and punishment of the racist Eastern European traitors and subversives.

JOACHIM MARTILLO
PERSONALLY I WOULDN'T BE JUSTIFIED BY ANSWERING YOU BUT OTHER PEOPLE SEEK THE TRUTH AND YOU ARE A LIAR WHICH COEXISTS ON JEWISH HATE AND THIS IS THE ONLY THING WHICH DRIVE YOU AND KEEP YOU ON BREATHING HOWEVER FOR YOUR INFORMATION THERE WAS NEVER A STATE OF PALESTAINE BEFORE ISRAEL BECAUSE PALESTINE WAS AND IS ISRAEL! BUT IF IT WAS PALESTINE BEFORE ISRAEL COULD YOU PLESE TELL ME AND TO ALL THE READERS WHO WAS THE "PRESIDENT" OF THE PALESTINE BEFORE THE STATE OF ISRAEL CAME TO LIFE????

Joachim Martillo,

Your transmogrification of Slezkine's subtle, erudite and evenly tempered work is on the order of allowing a Robespierre, or perhaps a Timothy Leary, to modify the U.S. Constitution. I hesitate to broach the discussion, due to a lack of time and certainly due to the moral and intellectual aroma, the mephitic, you bring to bear on the subject, but your contortionist use of Slezkine is highly indicative of that pungent quality.

MICHAEL,B WHO ARE YOU? YOUR ENGLISH IS SUPERBLY DRESSED TO THE POINT THAT THE SUBJECT OF A REALISTIC MATTER IS PUT IN THE DARK CORNER OF NONE IMPORTANCE, IT WOULD BE A SHAME THAT A PERSON IN YOUR INTELLIGENCE WOULD SUPPORT THE LIE OF JOAHIM MARTILLO.

Mr. Martillo: In reading reading your off-topic diatribe about the Ashkenazim, I noted your statement, "....after working in Israel and the Occupied Territories for 10 years, I cannot believe....." I also read your resume, which seems to be a long collection of unsuccessful 1 to 2 year gigs in the New England area. How exactly did you fit those Near East 10 years into that resume? Something doesn't jive.

Nadia has been well-trained to parrot standard Zionist disinformatsia.

Most states that exist today barely go back 50 years at most. From the standpoint of state organization, Palestine in 1900 was hardly different from Bohemia, Moravia or Slovakia in 1900.

I could argue that the native Palestinian population today unlike ethnic Ashkenazim is descended from the Greco-Roman Palestinian populations, which consisted of Judeans, Galileans, Nabateans, Samarians, Edomites and many others.

Thus modern Palestinians unlike ethnic Ashkenazim and many other peoples today can in fact claim a state lineage that goes back 2000 years.

Ethnic Ashkenazim could claim a limited form of state organization in that Jewish kehilot sent reprentatives to the Council of Four Lands in Poland and the Council in Lithuania until the 18th century, but ethnic Ashkenazim like their state-like organization are indigenous to Eastern Europe and Southern Russia.

It shows the insanity of Zionism that Zionist Ashkenazim were so ashamed of their own history that they attempt to steal the history of another people.

In Palestine ethnic Ashkenazim are murderous genocidal thieves and interlopers. Yet many Ashkenazi Americans are arguing that genocide is so horrible a crime that the US should bomb Iran because Ahmedinejad suggests that aspects of the Zionist Holocaust narrative is not true.

Leaders of the State of Israel are engaged in planning and executing genocide of the native population as I type. The State of Israel is founded in genocide, which Zionist interlopers in Palestine and Zionist Ashkenazi Americans casually deny. By the logic of racist ethnic Ashkenazi demagogues, the USA should probably be carpet-bombing the racist Jews only cities that ethnic Ashkenazim have created in Stolen and Occupied Palestine.

As for Slezkine, I consider it pop historical analysis that is useful because he summarizes a lot of issues. I came to my conclusions are spending a lot of time in the Ukraine.

Here are some comments from an ethnic Ashkenazi Ukrainian about the behavior of Soviet Ashkenazim in the Ukraine and elsewhere in the Soviet Union.

[Last comment in http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/06/re_joachim_mart.html#comments .]

Arie -

Just a note. I do not really know how Hitler's mind worked, but in Russia, especially rural Russia, on all that vast stretch outside Moscow, St. Petersburg and beyond Urals, the words Jews and Communists were almost completely interchangeable, which slowly ended after the establishment of Stalinist rule. So closely these words were connected that they almost melted in one word "Zhidyikommunisty" - "Zhid" being an equivalent of "Kike" in Russian, only "Kike" was a derogatory intra-Jewish insult that educated, western, Germanic Jews in America called newly arriving "wild" Polish Jews (whose last names ended with "ki") and the Russian word was strictly used by non-Jews toward Jews.

The mind-boggling crimes against humanity by Communists in Russia is still something that only now starts to be gradually unfolded, despite all what we thought we already knew. Although Soviet Communist Party was not at all a "Jewish party", but it had been certainly unproportionally Jewish if one compares the percentages of population and especially its leadership and most importantly its violent and murdorous CHEKA (it is not easy to translate into English but its something like "Extraordinary, emergency, omnipotentiary Commission"). It would not be a big exaggeration to say that the absolute majority of Jews, excluding elderly, were members of one of the revolutionary parties (Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, Social Revolutionaries).

The deeds in Lenin-Trotsky and later Stalins' time of this "Commision", (that later was renamed OGPU, GPU, HKVD, NKGB and after Kruschev's anti-Stalin purges - KGB), boggles the mind and in my opinion was something that was never done in human history - elimination of certain parts of population based on the circumstance of their birth - families of non-proletarian and non-farming origin, which lead to erasure of whole Russian clergy, aristocracy, military officers, landowners, intelligentsia, small business owners. Only later, Nazi repeated that by targeting another "birthright" group - Jews (and to the lesser extent others like Rom, mentally ill, and gays (if we accept genetic theory of homosexuality).

Also, since Ukraine became independent, the details of unbelievable, almost unknown before even in the Russian dissident circles to which I belonged, crimes in terms of barbarity, level or meticulous organization and scale, deliberate campaign of artificial famine that starved to death, whole parts of Ukrainian population, eradicated whole villages - totally around 8 million people. Together with earlier "collectivization" and eradication of Russian independent farmers (kulaks) the number is close to 15 million.

It was certainly Lenin-Trotsky (earlier in Russia) and later in Ukraine - Stalin's diabolic plan to break the spine of independent farming community, make them turn their property to state-controlled "kolkhozes" (public (or collective) farms) and make them the slaves of Communist regime, but the eyes of tens of millions of artificially starved Ukrainians saw Jewish commissars, Jewish NKVD officers, Jewish enforcers, mostly from shtetls, speaking with heavy accents, who, by Moscow orders were taking EVERYTHING away, killing those who resisted, making bonfires from rebelious villages, blocking the roads and making sure that no food would come from outside. An elderly friend of mine, a Jew who in his younger years was a NKVD soldier in Ukraine and later emigrated to Israel told me that when he first time saw a road block in Israel he immediately saw himself in a similar situation in Ukraine in 1932 during the famine and went into a strange comatose state from which he recovered only next day.

Later an argument was made that these were not "really Jews" because Communist regime demanded that everyone denounced his religion, but I leave this argument to your won critique. I just know that even in mid-80-ies when I was there last time, in rural Ukraine, a Jewish face made many an olderly woman turn terrifyingly stone-faced (men of that age if they did not die during famine, almost with no exception died during WWII) and walk away. I shuddered even trying to imagine what kind of damnation they were uttering in their minds. The historical irony was that in 1980-ies, 30+ years old me thought of Communists and KGB as my mortal enemies, despite the fact that my grandparents were Party members and my maternal grandfather was high-ranking Red Army officer (albeit veterinarian doctor, which was even more important than ordinary doctors in the age of cavalry).

As for my work in Palestine -- I do not reference all my contracts on my resume, and I did not work continuously in Palestine during the period from 1993 through 2002. (My work with the Israeli defense industry in fact goes back a little earlier.)

Because I only saw the Occupied Territories off and on, it took me several years to realize how evil Zionism and the State of Israel are, but I still feel guilty about my obliviousness because all the necessary information was available to me in the 1970s, but I refused to see it because I was like so many other Americans so enmeshed in the heroic Zionist narrative.

JOAHIM MARTILLO
YOU TALK TO MUCH SAYING NOTHING AND THE FILTH YOU TRYING TO SPREAD WILL NEVER WORK ON PURE AND DISENT HEART BUT NEVERTHELESS I AM SO VERY SORRY FOR YOU BECAUSE IN YOUR BETTERNEES YOU SCREAM FOR ACCEPTANCE AND LOVE, YOU ARE LONELY AND LOST AND IN DEEP PIT OF DARKNESS AND I AM COPMPELLED TO PRAY FOR YOU BECAUSE MY GOD IS GOD OF PEACE AND LOVE AND FORGIVENESS AND HE TOLD ME TO LOVE MY ENEMY EVEN AS I LOVE MY SELF, AND AS FOR ME I DID LIVE AMONG THE PALESTINIANS FOR 13 YEAR HELPING THE PALESTINIAN WOMEN WITH CHILDREN WITH HOUSING FOOD AND OTHER.. HALF OF THE "VADI JOZE IN JERUSALEM WAS GIVEN TO THIS POOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND THAT WAS THE JEWISH PEOPLE THAT YOU HATE SO MUCH WHO HELPPED... YOU HAVE TO START TO PRAISE THE JEWISH PEOPLE FOR THE CONTRIBUTION TO YOUR PEOPLE AND BE THANKFUL.

Solomon:

Joachim is off his rocker.

Ban him from your site.

He is an anti-Semite, a vandal and a lunatic.

I assume you mean Wadi al Juz. I doubt that you were actually living there, but I could believe that you occasionally went to pat the poor Palestinians on the head so that you could feel better about living in a stolen country, probably on stolen land and possibly in a stolen house.

White racist doctors often treated blacks in the Jim Crow South and Apartheid South Africa. Unless combined with an active fight against the racism of Jim Crow, Apartheid, Zionism, such head-pats mean less than nothing.

Here is a recent Zionist barbarism in Wadi sl-Juz: http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/2007/05/08/wadi-al-joze-demolition/ .

US dollars that racist ethnic Ashkenazi Americans manipulated the US into giving to the State of Israel probably paid for the equipment and the demolition.

"As for Slezkine, I consider it pop historical analysis that is useful because he summarizes a lot of issues." J. Martillo

In its own way, if not as conspicuously as several of your other comments, that serves to summarize your artfully obtuse faux omniscience, or however it might be described, as much as anything.

Have you read The Jewish Century?

How can anyone take seriously the Apollonian Mercurian interpretive framework, which puts Eastern European Ashkenazim, ethnic Chinese, and Romany people into a single category?

In any case, if it were supposed to be serious analysis, I would have expected Slezkine to learn Yiddish and Modern Israel Hebrew. Slezkine seems to understand Polish, but he does not seem to have bothered to learn much about Jews (either ethnic Ashkenazi or Tatar) in the pre-17th century Polish Republic or the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.

He does not actually seem to have much familiarity with some of the more important less problematic scholarship that researchers have developed about Russian Ashkenazim over the last 30 years in Jewish studies.

I am sorry, but I cannot consider The Jewish Century serious scholarship, and I do not believe that Slezkine meant it to be so considered.

JOACHIM MARTILLO
YOU ARE BREATHING HATE AND LIVING HATE AND APPARENTLY YOU DON'T KNOW BETTER BECAUSE OF YOUR JEALOSY OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE AND IT MAKE YOU SICK, SO YOU MUST COME OUT WITH FILTH AND LIES BUT ONLY PEOPLE LIKE YOU WILL BELIEVE YOU.... AND AS FOR A JEWISH PEOPLE THEY ARE TO SMART TO STEAL! WHY TO STEAL WHEN THEY CAN CREATE AND INDEED THEY CREATED WODERS IN ISRAEL AND BEYOND! AND THANK GOD FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE AND THEIR GOD IN CREATION OF A BEAUTIFUL STATE OF ISRAEL GOD BLESS ISRAEL AND GOD BLESS AMERICA!

I must wonder whether I am dealing with some racist ex-Soviet Zionist Ashkenazi.

Soviet Ashkenazim used to trumpet the achievements of the Soviet Union. They have just traded one class of delusions for another set.

Nazi Germans used to accuse critics of Germanophobia. Zionist Ashkenazim for the most part use the same bag of tricks.

An appreciation of German, ethnic Ashkenazi, and Russian culture does not obligate one to have any tolerance for Nazism, Zionism, or Soviet Communism.

Ethnic Ashkenazim lost the elite status they had held in pre-17th century Commonwealth Poland (Rzeczpospolita Polska) were a frustrated elite in the Czarist Empire. A certain segment wanted to create a revolutionary system where they had the power and authority they believed to be their right. A large part of the ethnic Ashkenazi population chose revolutionary and genocidal activities in Russia. A smaller group chose Zionist racism and genocidalism.

With the collapse of the Soviet Union, ethnic Ashkenazi former Soviet believers discovered their inner racism and turned to Zionism.

But if I am wrong, please explain how American principles of democracy, anti-racism and support for human rights are compatible with Zionist rejection of the democratic and human rights of non-Jews, Zionist genocide of the native Palestinian population, and Zionist racism, which asserts that Jews have the right to plunder and to kill non-Jews with impunity.

God bless America!

God save the USA from Zionist subversion!

God save the world from ethnic Ashkenazi genocidalism!

My loyalties like those of all true patriotic Americans are undivided.

Nadia freely admits what she is.

Mr. Martillo tries very hard to impress us with his erudition through rapid fire lengthy text, hoping that we understand it to be generated on the spot. But go to his site http:www.eaazi.blogspot.com and realize that he is just cutting and pasting regurgitated morsels of previous works, perhaps some orginal, mostly plagerized. The subject here is certain media facination with Pal heroines and how they shape civilization to everyone's detriment. Could we stay on topic for a while? for example, I would like to learn why Pal people cannot clean up their own garbage when they find that their "government" cannot run a trash service. Vatezza once observed that the cleanliness of a people's surroundings is indicative of the state of their minds.

So Joachim,

Help a poor "goyischer kopf" here.

Assuming that islam and the paleos predate the dreaded JOOOOOOOS in "the Holy Land", how's come the aqsa mosque was built on top of the ruins of the Temple???? And old mo's midnight ride was to that same mount????

J. Martillo,

Slezkine's work is as much art as it is reflective of scholarship and I read it in that more tempered and suggestive sense, rather than a reductive or positivist sense. It reflects a base of erudition and scholarship still, and his Apollonian/Mercurian categories serve to forward that broad appeal. I suspect, w/o presuming to know and w/o possessing Slezkind's scholarship or erudition, that's more or less how he intended his volume.

By contrast - for example your ref. to his use of Zionism - your own characterizations of his work are dubious, to be hugely over-kind.

The best synopsis and review i've read of Slezkine's work is by David Myers, professor of Jewish history and director of the Center for Jewish Studies at UCLA here.

Joachim Martillo -- You are amazing. To think that much apparent "intelligence" is wasted on such lies and hatred. The Jewish presence in Israel has been ongoing since Joshua led them in victory to the "promised land" over a thousand years before the evil that was Islam was thought up in the mind of Mohammed. After Rome destroyed the last temple and expelled the jews, the diaspora took them all over the world. SOME of them, not all - are the Jews you so denigrate.

After the Holocaust, which it appears you don't believe happened, the world said "never again", and created the Jewish state of Israel, offering the ARABS that were there, their own parcel of land, fully 80% larger than the small slice set up for Jews. Most of that land ended up being Jordan - another land, just like Syria, Iraq, Iran etc., ALL created by "the west" after the fall of the Ottoman empire which was defeated in World War ONE. After World War TWO, and "never again", the world knew the Jewish people needed their own homeland, since the pograms in Poland, Russia, and the world over, culminated in the Holocaust. So, they carved out a small slice of land, not even really defendable, and gave it to the Jews. Prior to this, Jewish people, descendants of those living there for millenia, began BUYING property, at inflated prices, from any ARAB living there. Then, after the creation of Israel, the ARAB nations (themselves "created" by the west) declared war on Israel and attacked her, telling all the ARABS there to flee so they wouldn't be in the way as they destroyed the Jews and "drove them to the sea". Unfortunately for the ARABS, the ONE TRUE GOD is on the side of the Jews, and the ARABS (with their FALSE god) lost. Just as they lost in all the other wars they attempted against Israel.

It is the ARABS who are attempting to steal the "history" and "birthright" of the Jews of Isreal, destroying ancient Jewish artifacts found at the Temple mount (that Israel so graciously lets the muslims run), and it was the ARABS who "stole" the land when they conquered it from Christians and Jews around 700 a.d. As the barabarism of Islam spread, conquering nearly 2/3 of Christiandom (including Turkey,the Balkans, north Africa and Spain, as well as inroads into Italy) Christendom finally fought back with the Crusades.

Joachim, take your lies elsewhere. The sad thing is, you come off as so "intellectual" that I'm afraid there are too many people who are uneducated enough in history that they would believe your lies (Taqiyya - lying sanctioned by Islam).

Any atrocities committed by a few Israelis while DEFENDING themselves against barbaric people pale in comparison to the atrocities committed the WORLD OVER by followers of the satanic inspired credo of "islam". Want more on "the religion of peace"?? go to http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ and see for yourself - HUNDREDS of acts of terror the world over, just in the last 3 months!, the majority having nothing to do with America or Jews -- it's just that the people being attacked aren't "muslim" - not that muslims don't do enough infighting - they do - more than any other people. God was right when he spoke in the Talmud about the descendants of Ishmael.

So, Joachim, it isn't Jews causing the problems and no one here buys your twisted history and lies. I suppose you also believe in the discredited "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", too, yes?

I, too, will pray for you - because it is YOUR soul that it at risk, child....and the ONE TRUE GOD of ISRAEL truly will prevail!

What's interesting to me as one brought up in Christian theology is that the "anti-Christ" spoken of for the end times, as well as the "one world religion" and it's cutting off heads of people who refuse to bow to it, sounds suspiciously like the Mahdi (the 12th immam) that Ahmadijian (sp? ruler of Iran) speaks of, and Islam. The Mahdi will be ushered in after widespread destruction (that the Iranian leaders have avowed to bring about).

It is YOU and your "religion" that is the curse of humanity and that will usher in the end-times. The proof is in the pudding - and you shall know a man by his fruits. What has Islam done and brought to the world?? And what has Judaism and CHristianity brought and done for the world?? If you don't know beyond you lies, read my last post with a list of real and HUMAN accomplishments of deceny and goodness.

Islam has been fighting the world since it's inception. Anyone here readin this far, look at America's own history! Thomas Jefferson had to deal with the Barabary pirates - Muslims - who were attacking our shipping and taking the crews as slaves. When he asked their leader why, he was told it was in thei book - commanded of them. This is why Jefferson had that koran that Ellison (recently elected muslim) wanted to take his oath on - because Jefferson wanted to learn more about Islam and it's ways - "know thine enemy" and all that.

We have been fightin the lies, deceit and evil of Islam since it's inception - and "we the people" better wake up to that fact - -read and learn from ALL your history! Because, as Joachim proves, it can sound so compelling and "truthful". Still, per Christian theology, towards the end times, it is said that G-d will allow stronge delusion to encompass the world, so that they will believe a lie...

Joachim is a good example of how this is coming about.

May there be TRUE PEACE in Israel soon, and may Moshiach show himself to the world.


Here's some dope on the Dome on the Temple rubble:

There is a reference (Sura 17) in the Koran that is used by some to validate the Muslim view that Jerusalem is central to Islam. A chapter recounts the story of a dream Mohammed has where he takes a midnight ride on his flying horse al-Buraq. "Glory be to Him, who carried His servant by night from the Holy Mosque (in Mecca) to the furthest away mosque (al-masjid al-Aqsa), the precincts of which we have blessed."

We know that Muhammad never visited Jerusalem in the flesh, and Jerusalem is never mentioned by name in the Koran. Some early Muslims are said to have considered Al-Aqsa as a metaphorical place, or a place in heaven. Others also specifically rejected the notion that Jerusalem could be the furthest away mosque, if the passage did in fact refer to an earthly destination, because Palestine is referred to in 30:1 of the Koran as being the “closest region” (adna al-ard).

In the days of Muhammed, 7th century, Jerusalem was a Christian city of the Byzantine Empire. There were only churches in Jerusalem, and the church of St-Mary of Justine stood atop the Temple mount. This was replaced by the Dome of the Rock, which was built in 691-692 by Khalif Abd El Malik. In 711, or about 80 years after Mohammed died, Malik's son, Abd El-Wahd - who ruled from 705-715 - reconstructed the Christian- Byzantine Church of St. Mary and converted it into a mosque. He made the structure as it was, typical Byzantine, row of pillars on either side of the rectangular ship in the center. All he added was an onion-like dome on top of the building to make it look like a mosque. He then named it El-Aqsa, so it would sound like the one mentioned in the Koran. Dreamy.....

JOJOJAMS AND JOHN
YOUR ENDURANCE AND YOUR HIGH INTELLEGENCE MAY BE THE LIGHT TO PEOPLE LIKE JOAHIM MARTILLO...
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO PRESENT THE TRUTH AND THE FACTS TO ALL THE READERS...
AND MAY GOD AND YESHUA HAMASHIH COVER YOU WITH THE BLANKET OF HIS PROTECTION ...
AS FOR ME I HAVE DONE ANSWERING MR MARTILLO HE IS OUT OF LINE AND I CAN JUST PRAY FOR HIS SALVATION
THANK YOU AGAIN...
NADIA

Nadia,

You're quite welcome. Joachim is, unfortunately, just a misled muslim, practicing what he has been taught and raised to believe - The tenets of a pedophilic, war-mongering Arab (mohammed) - with Taqiyya towards "infidels". He can't help it. I'll pray right along with you that the one, true G-d can open his eyes and touch his soul.

My ancestors came from Poland and, while I know there was much anti-semitism and pograms there, some of my forefathers were killed by the Nazis, merely for protecting and helping Jews. I proudly carry on that tradition. In fact, I have been so led by "the way and the truth", that I'm seriously considering converting. G-d is most certainly on there side -

To learn more about Judaism, anyone can visit here: http://www.aish.com

It's a great site with excellent wisdom, and it most certainly beats ANY muslim site, which are filled with bigotry and hatred.

When one looks at the deeds/fruits of Islam versus the deeds and fruits of Judaism, there really is no comparison. Only one blinded by primitive hatred, bigotry and jealousy would choose Islam. Such is the soul of Joachim.

May the one True G-d continue to guide and bless you, dear Nadia.

Thank you, Nadia. Please pray also for those who need it the most: The Pal children who are indoctrinated from birth with systematic lessons on hatred (Micky Mouse etc) instead of facts of science, geography, cultures, and other things useful in understanding a complicated world. Except for the few that can somehow break free, they are doomed to another cycle of despair, hopelessness and senseless violence.

Joachim states::
But if I am wrong, please explain how American principles of democracy, anti-racism and support for human rights are compatible with Zionist rejection of the democratic and human rights of non-Jews, Zionist genocide of the native Palestinian population, and Zionist racism, which asserts that Jews have the right to plunder and to kill non-Jews with impunity.


Ummm - let's see - palestinian/Arab Israelis are part of the Knesset - actively taking part in the running of Israel. Name one Arab/Muslim state where ANYONE who isn't "muslim" can take part in government. Real truth is, Arabs have MORE right in Israel than they do in ANY arab/muslim nation!! And you have the audacity to suggest otherwise! Grow up! There is NO "genocide" - the "palestinians" (note the quotes) even in the "occupied territories" had a higher standard of living under Israeli rule thatn ANY arab in any other muslim nation! - Until Arafat began his intifada on trumped up charges of Ariel Sharon "defiling" Al Aqsa when he visited there (the original site of the Jewish Temple, mind you, that Israel allows Muslims to control~!). If there were a "genocide", why have the palestinians grown into MILLIONS from the original 600,000??? And don't get me started on the farce and false accusations of the "Jenin massacre"!!

Judaism, and modern Israel, does NOT condone your accusations/lies of "plundering and killing non-Jews". Quote ANY Talmudic scripture or even Israeli law to that affect!! On the contrary, I can quote NUMEROUS "scrpture" in the Koran espousing JUST THAT ACCUSATION that you level at Isareal and Jews!! (refer to my initial statement of Thomas Jefferson and early America's encounter with the Muslim Barbary pirates).

For those truly wishing to know the truth, visit this site http://annaqed.com/ by an EX-Muslim (and leaving the Muslim faith is punishable by DEATH in Islam! - unlike any other religion!)
Note that the site is initially in Arabic! English speaking people can choose the "english" button and see for yourself some of the fallacies and evil of "true Islam".

May G-d guide you all, and Joachim, may the one, TRUE G-d have mercy on your soul!

YOU MUST VISIT THE SITE ...
FAITHFREEDOM.ORG THIS IS GREAT SITE BY EX MUSLIM WHO IS PHD AND USE TO TEACH AND PREACH ISLAM BUT HE WOKE UP BY THE GRACE OF GOD....
AND JOJOJAMS AND JOHN THANK YOU FOR THE REPLY AND THANK GOD FOR YOUR HEART...
NADIA

"It shows the insanity of Zionism..."

Nothing insane about it.

Muslim invaders took what is now Israel by naked force, and now the Jews have taken it back.

Eventually, ALL the lands stolen by Muslim imperialists will be retaken, and someday Islam will be just a dim and unpleasant memory, unless it lingers on in the Arabian peninsula, which, IMO would the serve the Arabs right.

JEW FREE UTOPIA.

God has eternally cursed the toxic jew. And has commanded humanity to islolate and consume the greedy jew until the raged fires of hell have burned cold.

paula femaleski,

Too bad for you that the Israelis are not the unarmed Jews of WW2 nazi vermin infested Europe.

In closing, a greeting in your native tongue.

Eatski Shitski Okayski!

Homophobic Eddie.
Goyim: Would a jew free world be happier?

Eddie keep the sunny side up. And put that harpoon down.

Two weeks later and even the jew cannot answer a simple question! Chutzpah in reverse?

A White Christian European Utopia?
That is a jew/moslem free et al. This will take Europeans a century of well paid work and invested patience. Will we achieve a Utopia outcome? Perhaps not but happier with ourselves? Most definitely yes!

Melanie Rozenburg answer but one simple question.
Would a jew free world be happier? Melanie Rozenburg: What is your verdict?-- Paul Maleski and the goyim would like to know! You do not have to tell us anything but whatever you do tell us, must be the absolute truth!

PLATFORM.
Jewess, your kosher silence is deafening? Rozenburg, I ask you but one simple question: Would a jew free world be happier?

What the hell are you talking about? Don't answer, just go away already.

Solomon
I ask but one simple question would a jew free world be happier: Yes or no?

paul maleski - you appear to be displaying the classic symptoms of barking-mad-drooling psychopathy as defined by the latest edition of the DSM-IV.

Please back away from the computer and seek help from the nearest mental health professional.

- Thank you

NO MOISER BE ME!
You name the mental health professional and I will oblige your reasonable request; however I want Madeleine Albright and Rabbi Yaccov Perrin to escort me there. Roughly, 6% of the population are psychopaths. Trollwatch: What are the chances that two out of the three of us, visiting your nominated independent psychiatrist, will be categorised as psychotic? You do not have to tell me anything but whatever you do tell me, must be the absolute truth.

"Syme: It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. You wouldn't have seen the [Newspeak] Dictionary 10th edition, would you Smith? It's that thick. [illustrates thickness with fingers] The 11th Edition will be that [narrows fingers] thick. Winston Smith: So, The Revolution will be complete when the language is perfect? Syme: The secret is to move from translation, to direct thought, to automatic response. No need for self-discipline. Language coming from here [the larynx], not from here [the brain]" -1984 (film)


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