Thursday, June 28, 2007
Arnold Roth emails:
The film is produced by HBO. So it's presumably HBO's publicity department that was responsible for creating and distributing a glamor-style photograph of a smiling, contented-looking young woman in her twenties to promote the movie.
That female is our child's murderer. She was sentenced to sixteen life sentences or 320 years which she is serving in an Israeli jail. Fifteen people were killed and more than a hundred maimed and injured by the actions of this attractive person and her associates. The background is here.
Neither the New York Times nor HBO are likely to give even a moment's attention to the victims of the barbarians who destroyed the Sbarro restaurant in Jerusalem and the lives of so many victims. So we would be grateful if you would pass along this link to some pictures of our daughter whose name was Malki. She was unable to reach her twenties - Hamas saw to that.
Though she was only fifteen years old when her life was stolen from her and from us, we think Malki was a beautiful young woman, living a beautiful life. We ask your help so that other people - far fewer than the number who will see the New York Times, of course - can know about her. Please ask your friends to look at the pictures - some of the very few we have - of our murdered daughter. They are at http://www.kerenmalki.org/photo.htm
And remind them of what the woman in the Israeli prison - the woman smiling so happily in the New York Times - said last year. "I'm not sorry for what I did. We'll become free from the occupation and then I will be free from prison."
With so many voices demanding that Israel release its terrorist prisoners, small wonder she's smiling.
With greetings from Jerusalem,
Frimet and Arnold Roth
On behalf of Keren Malki
Note that I have audio of Arnold Roth speaking here, or in the player in the right side-bar.
This smiling young woman, so blithe in her happiness, reminds of the following excerpt in this Brigitte Gabriel piece:
"We are fighting a powerful ideology that is capable of altering basic human instincts. An ideology that can turn a mother into a launching pad of death. A perfect example is a recently elected Hamas official in the Palestinian Territories who raves in heavenly joy about sending her three sons to death and offering the ones who are still alive for the cause. It is an ideology that is capable of offering highly educated individuals such as doctors and lawyers far more joy in attaining death than any respect and stature, life in society is ever capable of giving them."
But read the whole thing as it accurately describes the wider set of phenomena.
What a terrible loss.
HBO is incredibly liberal. To them terrorists are heroes.
I am always baffled that Zionist interlopers believe that they have the right to live in peace and security in a stolen country, generally on stolen land and often in stolen homes after plundering, murdering and expelling the native population.
See http://eaazi.blogspot.com for more information.
Martillo, it always amazes me that antisemites like you think you have the right to draw oxygen from the air. Do the world a favor and stop.
It always amazes me that Zionists believe that Jews have the right to plunder and to kill non-Jews with impunity.
Could this inability to distinguish right from wrong on the part of Zionists and problably most Jews in the world explain why hatred is increasing toward Jews that refuse to make categorical condemnation and excoriation of the State of Israel, Zionism, Jewish extremism and Jewish racism?
It always amazes me that Zionists believe that Jews have the right to plunder and to kill non-Jews with impunity.
Could this inability to distinguish right from wrong on the part of Zionists and problably most Jews in the world explain why hatred is increasing toward Jews that refuse to make categorical condemnation and excoriation of the State of Israel, Zionism, Jewish extremism and Jewish racism?
Here are some pictures of the results of US aid to the racist Zionist state: http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/2292 .
Theses images help explain why the world hates the State of Israel and the USA that makes such atrocities possible.
Patriotic Americans should insist upon at least the denaturalization of racist Zionists that have used wealth and positions of influence to manipulate the USA to support the State of Israel, Israeli genocidalism, and Zionism (ethnic Ashkenazi Nazism).
Many American Zionists must be arrested for treason and should be sent to places like Guantanamo where they can be interrogated under Dershowitzian principles to learn the extent of their crimes and disloyalty against the USA, fundamental American principles, and their fellow citizens.
They should write this up in a letter to the New York Times, since it is about a review of the times. The Times might well print it, given that these are parents of the victims.
Martillo, apart from showing that you're a nutcase and a waste of oxygen, it seems not to have occured to you, being so driven mad by yoru racism against Ashkenazis, that Keren Malki was not one.
But keep talking. Show the whole world what a hate-driven nutcase you are.
Joachim,
where do you live? In the United States, on lands stolen forn AmerIndians? In Latin america on lands stolen form Los Indios? Perhaps in Spain on land stolen from the Basque people? I ask because, you know, the Basques and the Navajo and the apache are still around and would like you to give it back.
Zionists, on the other hand live on land that has been Jewish for about 3,300 years. True, there were Canaanites once, but they are no more. there are only Jews, who are the oldest people in the Levant, and Arabs who got there in the seventh century - by stealing the land form Greeks and Jews and Armaic speaking Christians.
Now, can we return to a rational discussion, stop speaking about "stealing" land, and get back to talking about peaceful co-existence?
Martillo,
YOu must be a member of the death cult that is Islam to be so ignorant. Mohamed was a snake oil salemen no different than L. Ron Hubbard. There are no palistinians in the occupied territories, only Jordainians and Egyptians. The Jordainians have killed far more so called palistinians than Israel has.
Joachim,
Did you notice that the people you claim were subject to a genocide still exist? Jews must be the worst murderers in the world. They do not even succeed in genocide when they win all the necessary wars.
Or perhaps the Zionists's goal was not genocide? But I assume you have already rejected that answer and are now trying to figure out why the Palestinian Arabs are still alive. Because of their heroic fight against 15-year old Jewish girls, probably.
Israel is, of course, still alive because of her victories against Arab armies. That must be hard to accept for the other side.
Why exactly would Jews not have the right to defend themselves?
Joachim,
Did you notice that you are the only one here accusing an entire people of a certain (made-up) crime? Do you even know what racism is?
Wow -- who is the Nazi "Joachim"? Sieg Heil Komrad.
Clearly he's getting his ideas straight from Mein Kampf.
Though I note is careful not to mention the compulsory wearing of the Yellow Star for all those "forced" "denauturaizations" -- which I presume is also code for extermination.
Keep talking Jew hater, so everyone can understand the sort of people who support the "Palestinian" entity.
And Joachim (is that a German name? How much land did the Germans steal over the years? Ok, never mind..), the Jews did not "steal" land from the Palestinians. The land that was to be the State of Israel (after the UN representatives finally threw up their hands in defeat, concluding that the Arabs would never compromise even in the slightest) in the UN partition plan was made up of areas for the most part where Jews were in the majority, after having BOUGHT the land, from willing Arab sellers (who charged exorbitant prices, based on the inflated market), or Crown land, purchased from the British, or the Turks before them. After establishing their modern state, and (miraculously) surviving the onslaught from the combined might of several hostile nations, the Israelis captured land from the aggressors. Never has it been the case that the winners in a defensive war should give back territory, absent a treaty of peace with the losers. Since the Arabs never seem to acknowledge their losses (indeed, every one of their spectacular defeats is somehow spun as a "glorious victory"), the Israelis are left with no one with whom to make peace. Except, of course, the one country that did make peace - Egypt - which promptly regained its occupied lands. There's a lesson there, no doubt one you'll ignore.
This is why I don't allow comments like Joachim's on my blog.
Waste of time, space, bits, and breath.
Nothing you say will stop his broken record responses.
Martillo, Arabs never had it so good as when Israel took over administration of the territories Jordan and Egypt abandoned. Too bad they couldn't accept the hundredfold increase in quality of life that ensued.
Bwahahahahah - Joachim Martillo: still the same savage Jew-hating lunatic you were five years ago, when you were posting as JOMAR on the Yahoo Israeli-Palestinian message board.
Remember me, Jomie? You still under the delusion that Zionists have invaded your underwear?
Ome man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Circa 2000-2002, I spent fruitless hours arguing with Joachim Martillo on Yahoo news chat lines. Don't make the same mistake, he is irredeemable.
borgboy sez he can be amusing however, in a Latino-Fascist kind of way. :)
You have to understand the mindstate of idiots like Joachim Martillo. Muslims hold that once they occupy a land, it is forever Muslim after that. They still can't get over the fact that Spain isn't called Andalusia. That's why they believe that some imaginary people called "Palestinians" squatting on land that is really Jordan, somehow deserve a new state.
Boy it must suck to be life's losers.
#20 borgboy2001
Holy Moses, this is old home night, isn't it?
I well remember those memorable days when Jomie enriched the Yahoo I/P message board with his Thorazine-addled rants.
For those who don't know Jomie: do a google search on him. His is a truly, truly sad case.
It is amazing to me that the Muslims think that they have a permanent right to any land that they conquered. Sorry, but the other side conquered it back. They are at present more entitled to it than you are. I think that the Christians should start to demand the right of return to Turkey. Its about on the same line of reasoning. Sorry gang, but the geography is not a roach motel. If the Palestinians bothered to take as much time and effort building stuff as they do killing each other and the Israelis, they would be a lot better off. Since the rest of the world is Dar al-Harb to the Muslims, get ready for some pushback. You may not like it, but tough. Some of the rest of us get some target practice time in too you know.
Some enlightening background on Mr. Martillo:
http://somervillemejustice.com/marriage.html
A young jewish girl dies. A young arab girls dies. Why can't it just be a young girl? I'm just about done hearing both sides babble back and forth. To hell with both religions! As people why can't Palestinian take a few lessons from the Israel and become a productive state and stop sucking up international welfare from the world. For what both of you spend on weapons you could build a civilization that could become the jewel of the Middle East. Just get to the all out fight or shut up!
Joachim Martillo I hope that you martyr yourself and fast. Paradise awaits.
For anyone wondering just who this guy is.....
http://members.aol.com/karima4483/resume_c.html
Hmmm. "Can't hold a job...."
#22 - I see you remain incisive as ever! Joachim and that Dr. Pierce fanatic follower could literally verbalize the froth coming out of their mouths. :)
Good to hear from you!
"Muslims hold that once they occupy a land, it is forever Muslim after that."
What's ours is ours; what's yours is Allah's, and needs to be cleared to make way for Him.
For anyone wondering just who this guy is.....
Link...
Hmmm. "Can't hold a job...."
#27 Posted by: Capt. Video at June 29, 2007 2:34 PM
I followed your link to his resume. Being in the high tech field for over 20 years, I can see its pretty much just an adventure in creative acronyms. There's a few interesting things listed, but considering most of the rest is just playing with various PC's, color me skeptical. Any one who's done any significant programming in "assembler" language knows its spelled "assembler" and not "assembly."
"What's ours is ours; what's yours is Allah's, and needs to be cleared to make way for Him."
I can't tell if that was an attempt at satire or you were being serious. Either way it made me laugh.
kol hakovod ltzal
g-d bless the israeli army for with out it arabi would have had there genocide of jews.
Martillo, how do you spell "T R O L L "?
I am amazed that people like Joachim Martillo believe they can make the comments they do without serious repercussions. Joachim, keep picking on Jews. One day you'll learn the meaning of "never again."
Powerful post.
To clarify, the documentary is airing on Cinemax, not HBO.
TimesWatch has a take on the moral equivalency of the Times' reviewer who called suicide bombers "warriors": http://www.timeswatch.org/articles/2007/20070627133338.aspx
Hey, Abu Andalus, MY ancestors are Spanish. We took back our land from you "Al-andalus" Arabs after a 700 year "occupation". My Great,great VERY great Grandfather Probably dragged your Great grandfather to the top of a minaret and threw him off to his death and his 72 Uni-brow whores. I live in shame cause ill never be able to measure up to that. But if you're willing to give me a chance... maybe? Dont let me down. Viva Los Matamoros!
That woman is attractive? Maybe if she were in a niqab.
American so-called "liberals" are nazis, pure and simple. The New York Times loves muslim killers of innocent civilians.
God bless the Roth family. All peace and freedom loving people support you.
Joachim Martillo
Quick maryter yourself all those virgins await you and they look like Michael moore and have peckers down to there knees.
NOTHING.
NO political cause, not even "freedom" justifies killing non-combatant teenager girls in a pizza parlor.
NOTHING.
Savage, un-holy murderers who commit these crimes belong rotting away in prison. Death penalty is too good (quick) for them.
I too am tired of the incessant bickering and killing but some things are completely un acceptable morally.
Why do people kill each other based on a delusional belief in religious fairy tales?
Sincerest condolences to the Roths, whose reaction is a bit premature:
Premature, because if they'd seen the line of questioning in the movie that culminated in the smile shown above, their horror would surpass anyone's ability to describe. The exchange preceding it unfolds like this:
INTERVIEWER: Do you know how many children were killed in the attack on the pizzeria?
TAMIMI: Three. I heard three.
(A pause)
INTERVIEWER: Eight.
TAMIMI: Eight? Really?
And she beams. We see the image above.
Not easy to watch - at least, without your jaw dropping.
NOTHING.
NO political cause, not even "freedom" justifies killing non-combatant teenager girls in a pizza parlor.
Posted by: Italo Rick
Tell That to the IDF next time they bomb Lebanon indiscriminately
Joachim - I know who you are. I know where you are. I know what you are.
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"Ariel Sharon" - The IDF is extremely discriminating about who, where, and what it bombs. Maybe your boytoys in HizbAllah should have thought about that before they became terrorist scumbags.
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Both of you can FOAD.
ARMAGEDDON
TIME,
R
"Muslims hold that once they occupy a land, it is forever Muslim after that."
What's ours is ours; what's yours is Allah's, and needs to be cleared to make way for Him.
#29 Posted by: Abu Andalus
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Sounds more like a cockroach infestation...
"Ariel Sharon"
More better that the brave jihadi warriors of allah not hide in the middle of women and children.
Kinda sorta like sending a mother to a checkpoint with a baby with 4 lb of C4 in his diaper and complaining if it goes off WITHOUT killing any JOOOOOOS.
No 72 virgins for that little grabber, huh??
BTW, "Ariel". Interesting choice of a nic.
Since the dreaded JOOOOOOOS left Gaza, plenty people there wishing for the "good old days" when they could live in relative prosperity and safety, you betcha !!!
Hamas behind the trees and Fatah behind the rocks and BOTH calling out "come and kill the loser hiding behind me" ?????
Idiots just push me the wrong way....
Apologies to the rest of those here and my prayers to the family of and for the peace of Keren Malki.
CRUSADER VIEWPOINT
"Arabs who got there in the seventh century - by stealing the land form Greeks and Jews and Armaic speaking Christians."
"Now, can we return to a rational discussion, stop speaking about "stealing" land, and get back to talking about peaceful co-existence?"
No, we can't. There will never be peace until we've regained every last inch of land stolen from us by Muslim imperialists and colonialists.
Turkey, the Levant, and North Africa belong to western Christians and Jews, not to Muslim invaders, and we will drive them back to Arabia and reclaim what is ours, if it takes 10,000 years, .
The reconquest of Israel, and the overthrow of Muslim rule there, is just a step towards that goal.
Nice blog, btw.
"this attractive person"
I fear that your eyes aren't functioning correctly. That isn't an attractive person, it's a rabid Hamas animal...not attractive at all.
Actually, I wish Israel did bomb Lebanon indiscriminately. Then those fake Reuters photos would have made more sense.
I also wish there really was a Jenin Massacre. Instead, all we got was a photo op with Green Helmet Guy and Rage Boy.
I mean, if Israel is going to get accused of stuff like bombing UN ambulances by every MSM outlet when it was merely a setup job where muslim skum ripped off the siren light and beat it up with k-bars, then perhaps Israel should actually be guilty first.
But naw, lies work better.
And when Israel 'stole' or 'occupied' the land, we needn't mention it was purchased by recognized land deeds. Why do that? Its so much easier to just cinch up my red suspenders and run the Flo Bee over my skull, take off my shirt and rub it down with Wesson, then dance to techno music at the gay Hitler rave.
Israel's judicial policies have long ceased to have any deterrent effect. The problem arises because there is no death penalty. If murder were punished by swift execution, Israeli lives would be far better protected. Also, the expansion of punishment to include family members of murderers and other co-conspirators in crime would reestablish deterrence in an effective way even in the case of so-called suicide bombings.
I have watched the Roths from a distance for a few years. They have turned their tragidy into good works. I want to suggest that people who are moved by their story go and visit their website kerenmalki.org and see how to help remember their murdered daughter by supporting families who care for a disabled child. The Roths do this for hundreds of children and don't seem to distinguish between a child who is Jewish or Muslim or Christian or other. its an inspiration.
I Just know one thing> NO ISRAELI MOTHER WILL SEND HER CHILD WITH STRAP BOMB TO HIS BODY TO KILL HIMSELF AND OTHES! BUT THE ARAB PARENTS DO JUST THAT! GIVE ME A BREK ISRAEL ALWAYS CONTRIBUTE TO EVERYTHING from technologies to medicine from colture to saving lifes but what the arabs did just kill and lied... there wasn't any Plesine before Israel check for yourselves in the History books! But somehow it is so much easy to hate the jews that to spend little time to check the facts!!!!!!
Nadia
Wouldnt it be simple if we could solve Israel's problems here on this site. Or if we could weed out the idiots and the nutters even. But we can't so ignore them and keep up your excellent work of defending the only democratic state in the middle east As for the Roth family, may G-d bless them and protect them from any more pain They are such couragous and warm people. May their daughter Malki (of blessed memory) rest in peace
The below statistics (after my rant) says it all -- And Joachim Martillo -- take your satan inspired religion and shove it.... Even the alleged "golden age" of Islam...was only due to you barbarians conquering more advanced societies, and as Sharia was imposed, those societies crumbled into the dungheaps of what is now "muslim society". Quit blaming the west and Israel. The cause of your backwardness is Islam, and your "prophet" is rotting in hell.
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Interesting Statistics...
Interesting comparison of the middle east -
The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000, or 20% of the worlds population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
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>Literature:
>1988 - Najib Mahfooz
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>Peace:
>1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
>1994 - Yaser Arafat:
>1990 - Elias James Corey
>1999 - Ahmed Zewa
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>Economics:
>
>(none)
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>Medicine:
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>1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
>1998 - Ferid Mourad
>
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The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000, or about 0.02% of the world population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
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>Literature:
>1910 - Paul Heyse
>1927 - Henri Bergson
>1958 - Boris Pasternak
>1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
>1966 - Nelly Sachs
>1976 - Saul Bellow
>1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
>1981 - Elias Canetti
>1987 - Joseph Brodsky
>1991 - Nadine Gordimer World
>
>Peace:
>1911 - Alfred Fried
>1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
>1968 - Rene Cassin
>1973 - Henry Kissinger
>1978 - Menachem Begin
>1986 - Elie Wiesel
>1994 - Shimon Peres
>1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
>
>Physics:
>1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
>1906 - Henri Moissan
>1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
>1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
>1910 - Otto Wallach
>1915 - Richard Willstaetter
>1918 - Fritz Haber
>1921 - Albert Einstein
>1922 - Niels Bohr
>1925 - James Franck
>1925 - Gustav Hertz
>1943 - Gustav Stern
>1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
>1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
>1952 - Felix Bloch
>1954 - Max Born
>1958 - Igor Tamm
>1959 - Emilio Segre
>1960 - Donald A. Glaser
>1961 - Robert Hofstadter
>1961 - Melvin Calvin
>1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
>1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
>1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
>1965 - Julian Schwinger
>1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
>1971 - Dennis Gabor
>1972 - William Howard Stein
>1973 - Brian David Josephson
>1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
>1976 - Burton Richter
>1977 - Ilya Prigogine
>1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
>1978 - Peter L. Kapitza
>1979 - Stephen Weinberg
>1979 - Sheldon Glashow
>1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
>1980 - Paul Berg
>1980 - Walter Gilbert
>1981 - Roald Hoffmann
>1982 - Aaron Klug
>1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
>1985 - Jerome Karle
>1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
>1988 - Robert Huber
>1988 - Leon Lederman
>1988 - Melvin Schwartz
>1988 - Jack Steinberger
>1989 - Sidney Altman
>1990 - Jerome Friedman
>1992 - Rudolph Marcus
>1995 - Martin Perl
>2000 - Alan J. Heeger
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>Economics:
>1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
>1971 - Simon Kuznets
>1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
>1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
>1976 - Milton Friedman
>1978 - Herbert A. Simon
>1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
>1985 - Franco Modigliani
>1987 - Robert M. Solow
>1990 - Harry Markowitz
>1990 - Merton Miller
>1992 - Gary Becker
>1993 - Robert Fogel
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>Medicine:
>
>1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
>1908 - Paul Erlich
>1914 - Robert Barany
>1922 - Otto Meyerhof
>1930 - Karl Landsteiner
>1931 - Otto Warburg
>1936 - Otto Loewi
>1944 - Joseph Erlanger
>1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
>1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
>1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
>1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
>1952 - Selman Abra ham Waksman
>1953 - Hans Krebs
>1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
>1958 - Joshua Lederberg
>1959 - Arthur Kornberg
>1964 - Konrad Bloch
>1965 - Francois Jacob
>1965 - Andre Lwoff
>1967 - George Wald
>1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
>1969 - Salvador Luria
>1970 - Julius Axelrod
>1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
>1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
>1975 - Howard Martin Temin
>1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
>1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
>1978 - Daniel Nathans
>1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
>1984 - Cesar Milstein
>1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
>1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
>1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
>1988 - Gertrude Elion
>1989 - Harold Varmus
>1991 - Erwin Neher
>1991 - Bert Sakmann
>1993 - Richard J. Roberts
>1993 - Phillip Sharp
>1994 - Alfred Gilman
>1995 - Edward B. Lewis
The Jews are not promoting brain washing the children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non-Muslims. The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics. The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all
the Infidels.
Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.
Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel's part, the following two sentences really say it all:
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel
THANK YOU SO MUCH JOJOJAMS FOR THAKING THE TIME TO REVILE THE SIMPLICITY OF THE TRUTH, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR BLESSED WISDOM AS NO ONE COULDN'T SAY IT BETTER...
NADIA
Genocidal Zionist interlopers, racist subversive ethnic Ashkenazi Americans and their panderers self-indoctrinate with fantasies based on delusions.
Eastern European ethnic Ashkenazim are far more genuinely a Taetervolk than Germans ever were even under the German Nazi Regime. This ongoing discussion shows the vicious murderous hatred and rage that simply oozes from the subversive and traitorous ethnic Ashkenazi Americans. They act out of pure self-presevervation because the larger American society will revenge itself on them once it realizes the extent to which ethnic Ashkenazi Americans have conned the USA and how much ethnic Ashkenazi racists have cost us by manipulating the USA into supporting the State of Israel to the benefit of Israel and ethnic Ashkenazi tribalism but to the detriment of genuine American interests.
The Pattern of Ethnic Ashkenazi Genocidalism: The Jewish Century by Yuri Slezkine ( http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2007/02/pattern-of-ethnic-ashkenazi.html )
The Jewish Century targets the popular audience more than scholars because a lot of the common beliefs that Yuri Slezkine debunks were long ago disproved in scholarly journals. The book is not really a detailed history, and it has some serious flaws because Slezkine, a history professor at UC Berkeley and specialist in the Soviet period, does not read Yiddish or Hebrew(+). The value of Slezkine's Apollonian/Mercurian interpretive framework is questionable, for it identifies Eastern European Ashkenazim and Eastern European Romany as anthropologically similar.
The book is a sort of extended essay or memoir-like reflection of the role of Soviet Jews (more precisely Soviet Ethnic Ashkenazim) during 20s and 30s when Russian Ethnic Ashkenazim became the quintessential Soviet nationality. They lost this privileged status after the establishment of the State of Israel because at that point Russian ethnic Ashkenazim could claim a homeland outside the Soviet Union just like Soviet Chinese, Estonians, Finns, Germans, Iranians, Koreans, Kurds, Latvians and Poles, who were all persecuted and deported internally during the 1920s-30s often under the supervision of Soviet ethnic Ashkenazi officials in an official policy of alienization.(++)
Slezkine clearly mourns the passing of the Golden Age of Soviet Russian Ashkenazim in 1948 and hates Zionism with obvious venom, for every reference in the book to Zionism and to any Zionist leader is full of scorn.
Yet, he clearly misses the fundamental similarity in thinking and behavior of Soviet Russian Ashkenazim and Zionist Russian Ashkenazim.
On p. 310-311 he tells the following story of the Markish family.
Ethnic Ashkenazi Soviet officials played the main and leading role in dekulakization/collectivization. Very few (I can only identify one with certainty) have ever expressed regret for their actions, which lead to the death by starvation of approximately 7 million people (all non-Jews of course).Just as the Soviet elite (often Russian ethnic Ashkenazim) made native populations of the Russian Empire aliens in their own country, stole everything they had, deported them, and murdered them, likewise Zionist Russian ethnic Ashkenazim made the native population of Palestine aliens in their own country, stole everything they had, deported them, and murdered them.
We have here two levels of obliviousness: the inability of the author Slezkine to perceive the similarity of Soviet Russian ethnic Ashkenazim to Zionist Russian ethnic Ashkenazim in their thinking and behavior as well as the complete unawareness of the Markish family about the true feelings of their maid.
I attended a panel discussion at Harvard on The Jewish Century and afterward spoke with Steven Zipperstein, who was one of the panel members. He is The Daniel E. Koshland Professor in Jewish Culture and History and Co-Director of Jewish Studies at Stanford University.
I described the reaction of the reviewer from the Israeli Paper Yediot Aharonot (Late News) to Hanna Elias' movie The Olive Harvest, which is a love story/family drama set in the context of the Israeli occupation of the West Bank. One of the characters early in the movie remarks that the settlements are a cancer on the land. The reviewer completely missed the movie's story, and only expressed shock and outrage that Palestinians would actually say and believe that "we Israelis are a cancer on the land."
I would almost equate the reviewer's obliviousness to Palestinian hostility to the Markish family's lack of awareness of the maid's anger except that after working in Israel and the Occupied Territories for 10 years, I cannot believe that any Israeli would be surprised by the hatred of Palestinians. I have to consider the reviewer to have been posturing in order to portray Hanna as some sort of propagandist.
Zipperstein only remarked sarcastically that Slezkine gets the translations wrong and a reviewer from the Israeli paper Haaretz (The Land), would have agreed with the Palestinian character. The blindness of the Markish family and the convenient obliviousness of Zionists seems to persist as denial among ethnic Ashkenazi Americans like Professor Zipperstein.
(+) Because of his lack of Hebrew and Yiddish, Slezkine misinterprets the phrase Loshen Kaudesh, which is just one German Jewish pronunciation of Leshon Qodesh (Holy Language). The term is not a pun on the German dialect pronunciation of Kuh as Kau as Slezkine claimed. Cattle dealer jargon was usually called Loshen.
(++) The whining of American Ashkenazim and Russian ethnic Ashkenazim about mistreatment since the 1950s was somewhat hypocritical because treatment of Russian ethnic Ashkenazim was hardly unique in the Soviet Union. In fact after the establishment of the State of Israel, the Soviet Union applied a formula to Russian ethnic Ashkenazim that had for the most part been developed by Russian ethnic Ashkenazim for other nationalities within the Soviet Union. Russian ethnic Ashkenazim were angry that they were being hoist upon their own petard. It is hard to sympathize.
NOTE 1
Slezkine uses Tevye the Milkman's daughter Chava as a symbol for American Russian ethnic Ashkenazim and Zionist Russian ethnic Ashkenazim. I may misremember, but I believe that Chava committed suicide with Tevye's help in a later short story. I guess there really is no going back, but as a non-Jewish relatively disinterested observer -- who reads Yiddish -- I consider the Yiddishists and Zionists just as much metaphorically patricidal as the first generation of Soviet Russian ethnic Ashkenazim. Tevye also has a tremendous anger toward traditional Eastern European Jewish culture, and I have the impression it is rather common in members of his generation even if they could not break from the tradition.
NOTE 2
While I was not impressed by Professor Zipperstein's sensitivity to Palestinian feelings, he is actually one of the better historians of Russian Ashkenazim. I can recommend his book entitled, The Jews of Odessa, A Cultural History, 1794-1881, with the qualification that his focus on the Jews of Odessa is sometimes too narrow. He describes the conflicts of Odessan Jews with other Odessan ethnic groups but never seems to have researched such conflicts from the standpoint of any group but that of the Jews.
JOACHIM MARTILLO>>>> SO MANY WORDS, SO MUCH ANGER AND SO MUCH NOTHING! THE TRUTH IS SIMPLE AND SHORT, BUT THE HATE IS NEVER ENDING LIKE A LIE....
I agree the truth is short.
Racist Eastern Europeans stole Palestine from the native population.
They have conned America into supporting them in their crimes.
Palestinians have every right to attack the murderous genocidal thieves and interlopers while genuine patriotic Americans have every right to seek the denaturalization and punishment of the racist Eastern European traitors and subversives.
JOACHIM MARTILLO
PERSONALLY I WOULDN'T BE JUSTIFIED BY ANSWERING YOU BUT OTHER PEOPLE SEEK THE TRUTH AND YOU ARE A LIAR WHICH COEXISTS ON JEWISH HATE AND THIS IS THE ONLY THING WHICH DRIVE YOU AND KEEP YOU ON BREATHING HOWEVER FOR YOUR INFORMATION THERE WAS NEVER A STATE OF PALESTAINE BEFORE ISRAEL BECAUSE PALESTINE WAS AND IS ISRAEL! BUT IF IT WAS PALESTINE BEFORE ISRAEL COULD YOU PLESE TELL ME AND TO ALL THE READERS WHO WAS THE "PRESIDENT" OF THE PALESTINE BEFORE THE STATE OF ISRAEL CAME TO LIFE????
Joachim Martillo,
Your transmogrification of Slezkine's subtle, erudite and evenly tempered work is on the order of allowing a Robespierre, or perhaps a Timothy Leary, to modify the U.S. Constitution. I hesitate to broach the discussion, due to a lack of time and certainly due to the moral and intellectual aroma, the mephitic, you bring to bear on the subject, but your contortionist use of Slezkine is highly indicative of that pungent quality.
MICHAEL,B WHO ARE YOU? YOUR ENGLISH IS SUPERBLY DRESSED TO THE POINT THAT THE SUBJECT OF A REALISTIC MATTER IS PUT IN THE DARK CORNER OF NONE IMPORTANCE, IT WOULD BE A SHAME THAT A PERSON IN YOUR INTELLIGENCE WOULD SUPPORT THE LIE OF JOAHIM MARTILLO.
Mr. Martillo: In reading reading your off-topic diatribe about the Ashkenazim, I noted your statement, "....after working in Israel and the Occupied Territories for 10 years, I cannot believe....." I also read your resume, which seems to be a long collection of unsuccessful 1 to 2 year gigs in the New England area. How exactly did you fit those Near East 10 years into that resume? Something doesn't jive.
Nadia has been well-trained to parrot standard Zionist disinformatsia.
Most states that exist today barely go back 50 years at most. From the standpoint of state organization, Palestine in 1900 was hardly different from Bohemia, Moravia or Slovakia in 1900.
I could argue that the native Palestinian population today unlike ethnic Ashkenazim is descended from the Greco-Roman Palestinian populations, which consisted of Judeans, Galileans, Nabateans, Samarians, Edomites and many others.
Thus modern Palestinians unlike ethnic Ashkenazim and many other peoples today can in fact claim a state lineage that goes back 2000 years.
Ethnic Ashkenazim could claim a limited form of state organization in that Jewish kehilot sent reprentatives to the Council of Four Lands in Poland and the Council in Lithuania until the 18th century, but ethnic Ashkenazim like their state-like organization are indigenous to Eastern Europe and Southern Russia.
It shows the insanity of Zionism that Zionist Ashkenazim were so ashamed of their own history that they attempt to steal the history of another people.
In Palestine ethnic Ashkenazim are murderous genocidal thieves and interlopers. Yet many Ashkenazi Americans are arguing that genocide is so horrible a crime that the US should bomb Iran because Ahmedinejad suggests that aspects of the Zionist Holocaust narrative is not true.
Leaders of the State of Israel are engaged in planning and executing genocide of the native population as I type. The State of Israel is founded in genocide, which Zionist interlopers in Palestine and Zionist Ashkenazi Americans casually deny. By the logic of racist ethnic Ashkenazi demagogues, the USA should probably be carpet-bombing the racist Jews only cities that ethnic Ashkenazim have created in Stolen and Occupied Palestine.
As for Slezkine, I consider it pop historical analysis that is useful because he summarizes a lot of issues. I came to my conclusions are spending a lot of time in the Ukraine.
Here are some comments from an ethnic Ashkenazi Ukrainian about the behavior of Soviet Ashkenazim in the Ukraine and elsewhere in the Soviet Union.
[Last comment in http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2007/06/re_joachim_mart.html#comments .]
As for my work in Palestine -- I do not reference all my contracts on my resume, and I did not work continuously in Palestine during the period from 1993 through 2002. (My work with the Israeli defense industry in fact goes back a little earlier.)
Because I only saw the Occupied Territories off and on, it took me several years to realize how evil Zionism and the State of Israel are, but I still feel guilty about my obliviousness because all the necessary information was available to me in the 1970s, but I refused to see it because I was like so many other Americans so enmeshed in the heroic Zionist narrative.
JOAHIM MARTILLO
YOU TALK TO MUCH SAYING NOTHING AND THE FILTH YOU TRYING TO SPREAD WILL NEVER WORK ON PURE AND DISENT HEART BUT NEVERTHELESS I AM SO VERY SORRY FOR YOU BECAUSE IN YOUR BETTERNEES YOU SCREAM FOR ACCEPTANCE AND LOVE, YOU ARE LONELY AND LOST AND IN DEEP PIT OF DARKNESS AND I AM COPMPELLED TO PRAY FOR YOU BECAUSE MY GOD IS GOD OF PEACE AND LOVE AND FORGIVENESS AND HE TOLD ME TO LOVE MY ENEMY EVEN AS I LOVE MY SELF, AND AS FOR ME I DID LIVE AMONG THE PALESTINIANS FOR 13 YEAR HELPING THE PALESTINIAN WOMEN WITH CHILDREN WITH HOUSING FOOD AND OTHER.. HALF OF THE "VADI JOZE IN JERUSALEM WAS GIVEN TO THIS POOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND THAT WAS THE JEWISH PEOPLE THAT YOU HATE SO MUCH WHO HELPPED... YOU HAVE TO START TO PRAISE THE JEWISH PEOPLE FOR THE CONTRIBUTION TO YOUR PEOPLE AND BE THANKFUL.