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Friday, April 15, 2005

People are starting to notice that the PC(USA)'s divestment efforts may not all be on the up and up. (Hat Tip: emailers)

Presbyterians Won’t Budge on Divesting

You have to hand it to those Presbyterians. Their leaders know what they want, and they won’t be deflected by things like logic, fairness or the well-being of people in the Middle East.

Church leaders in Louisville, Ky., appear determined to single out Israel for corporate “divestment,” and apparently no amount of internal revolt or outside input will dissuade them.

That’s a big problem for mainstream Jewish groups that have always operated on the principle that dialogue is the first step in dealing with intergroup conflict. The plain fact is that the Presbyterian leaders just aren’t listening.

Groups like the American Jewish Committee and the Anti-Defamation League, while reporting useful discussions with local Presbyterian groups, are fed up with the national church leadership. For months after the Presbyterian Church (USA) voted to begin a process of “selective divestment” against companies that do business in Israel, the Jewish groups continued to believe that a policy of hard-headed dialogue would help church leaders understand the glaring imbalance of their efforts.

Eventually, they believed, logic would prevail, and the Presbyterians would realize that at the very least, the timing of their action — at the precise moment when the region seemed to be moving toward a new peace process — was perverse...

...Jewish groups are beginning to accept the obvious conclusion: The time for dialogue with the hostile, irrational Presbyterian leadership has passed and a more confrontational approach is in order, including publicly challenging their motives and their commitment to a fair peace in the region. At the same time, dialogue with other groups that have proven more sensitive and with local Presbyterian groups needs to be increased.

The point should be emphasized over and over again: It’s not just the knee-jerk defenders of Israel and Likudniks who think divestment is a terrible idea, but Jewish groups from across the ideological spectrum.

Jewish leaders worked hard to get through to the Presbyterians, but church leaders weren’t listening; they have demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that dialogue is not their goal, a fair peace not their real interest, and they should be dealt with accordingly.

Those interested in the issue should read it in full.

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2 Comments

Yup........ of course like it was really ever about a true academic reality or fact based decision or discussion?
Its emotion, its politics, mixed with pc idiocy and not knowing the real situation, mixed with 'f the jews' the Palis are poor... and the latter is the real bottom line anyway.

The Palis have been kicking Israel's *** for how long now with a propaganda campaign? Israel responded how? They didn't even have a Press person to work with the foreign press (not that it may have made a difference) other than 2 hourly employees until recently!

The Palestinian I saw said Ashwari will come out at 2am in her bathrobe, (I know) to give them a comment and invite them in for some food....

This isn't an academic debate, its like why do juries vote to or not to convict?
why do people buy from you or trust you?

Its mainly about relationship and emotional... the Palis have got the emotional acting thing down pat.

You can show these guys all the facts and how their "history" of Palestine (which they likely copied - like UN Resolutions - right from the PLO)
is 70% fantasy
or lied about al Durra, or about the 3 'soccer players' - or Jenin, or Karine A....or Nativity on and on and on........
THEY DON'T GIVE A CRAP.

Btw, good job blogging lately.
You got a show me how I get links on the right side and how I get pictures uploaded.... I downloaded hello and picasa and tried 20k times already!!!!

Btw, Van Zile's piece was long haven't finished it yet....

Larry

I had to print out the Van Zile piece and read it in hard copy. I just can't read anything more than a few pages on a computer screen before my eyes go bleary.

I can't help you on the links and pics with Blogger as I've never used it. Don't they have a help forum or something where people give advice or something? I still say if you're willing to pay a little money, go over to typepad where I think they give you your own real storage space and you can post pictures without any real trouble - or use the web space your ISP probably gives you and link to them there.

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