Monday, January 31, 2005
The Investigative Project's Daveed Gartenstein-Ross emails to alert me to a disturbing article he has written about a web site called "Barsomyat.com" (registered anonymously through a hosting service in Minnesota). The Arabic-only site, frequented in large measure by Egyptian Muslims, makes a project of posting the photographs and personal information - as they can find it - of Christians who have the audacity to debate with Muslims in chat rooms on the PalTalk internet service. You may recall the Coptic Christian - Egyptian - family in New Jersey described in the article who was found murdered. One family member was known for debating on PalTalk.
As pointed out in the article, incidents and web sites like this demonstrate how difficult it is for us to imagine that we can withdraw behind safe borders and ignore the world around us. President John Adams's "Wooden Walls" of the American Navy are no longer proof against the dangers we face in the modern world. Expansionist, intolerant, tyrannical ideologies anywhere - best exemplified by Islamic Jihadism - are a danger to us everywhere. No, that doesn't mean we need to invade the world, but we had damn well better stay engaged - and be constantly vigilant to the problem, both abroad and here at home.
The Counterterrorism Blog: Christians on PalTalk Chat Service Tracked by Radical Islamic Web Site
One page from barsomyat.com features a group of photographs of a Syrian Christian, "Joseph," who now lives in Canada. Barsomyat.com's users have posted personal information about Joseph, including his brother's parole status, and make clear that they are actively trying to track down his current address.
Subscribers also post explicit warnings to Joseph. One comment states, "Know, oh Christian, that you are not far from us and you are under our watchful eyes!" Another user remarks, "Laugh, oh Christian, and soon you will see a big hit."
Ahmed Paul, an Egyptian Christian and a theology student in America, said he believes Joseph was targeted because he frequently engaged in debates with Muslims on PalTalk. The Internet chat service attracts up to 3 million users a month, and subjects range from movies to music to religion to adult topics -- and some Arabic-speaking users of PalTalk have reported that contentious debates between Christians and Muslims are common in certain chat rooms.
Hossam Armanious, a Coptic Christian from Jersey City, N.J., who was found murdered earlier this month, frequently debated with Muslims on PalTalk...
Update: Michelle Malkin has several links on the subject.
Update2: Robert Spencer has entries on this, including transcripts of some of the discussions from the site here, here, here, and here.
Update3: Gartenstein-Ross also has an excellent article in FrontPage on the plight of Apostates in Islam, and the West's unwillingness to take the issue seriously enough:
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Well, there is one way to deal with this type of anonymous terror. Avoid the identifiable group committing terror, and that would be Egyptian muslims. So, no hiring, no assistance and especially no frequenting businesses owned, run by or hiring Egyptian muslims.
There are ways to hurt monsters like these without breaking the law and that is the pocketbook and public shame. I will certainly be doing my part to express my displeasure with such a hateful, bloody group of people.
I'm not sure that shunning ALL Egyptian Muslims - many of whom are undoubtedly good people and residents and couldn't do anything about this if they wanted to - is the way to go, although a little extra watchfulness on the part of the authorities probably wouldn't hurt.
According to the article, "Barsomyat.com is registered to Viza-Web Inc., a Web hosting company based in Woodbury, Minn." Why are these websites hosted in the US? They should be shut down!!
You would be right, of course, in a perfect world. But since the Egyptian muslim community is not speaking out against this group, as others would when faced with a gross misrepresentation of their principles, what are we to do? Nothing?
Financial penalty and public shame will bring about that proper reaction. Injustices are rarely ended by direct action against the individual perpetrators, but instead against the larger community that harbors and refuses to condemn them.
hey
you are talking about muslims and their sites
you are shouting against them
what what about us?
coptics
christians of egypt
how can we live
can you tell us?
IT IS THE TIME NOW TO GET MOSLEMS OUT OF OUR ARMY,POLICE AND ANY OTHER FEDRAL POSITION THAT THREATENS OUR SAFTY.....ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.....WHY DO WE ALLOW THEM TO GET TRAINED IN OUR FACILITIES LIKE HOSPITALS,TECHNOLOGY INSTITUTES ,,,,ETC...FREEDOM IS FOR PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND ITS RESPONSIBELITIES..... DYMOCRACY IS FOR THOSE WHO PRACTICE IT IN THEIR ORIGINAL COUNTRIES.....EQUALITY IS FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN A RELIGION "ISLAM" WHICH CONSIDERS ITS FOLLOWERS AS SUPIRIORS TO OTHERS WHO DESERVE NOTHING BUT TO BE KILLED SO THE LAND WILL BE ALL FOR ALLAH !!!!!!!
AMERICA....WE NEED TO READ AND KNOW ABOUT OUR ENEMY....WE ALL ARE THREATENED BY ISLAMIC BELIEVES THAT FORCE RATHER ENCOURAGE A MOSLEM TO KILL NON MOSLEMS.
HOW BEAUTIFUL WAS U S A IN SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES BEFORE ITS INVASION BY MOSLEM IMIGRANTS....WE MUST CHOSE IMIGRANTS WHO WANT TO COME TO OUR LAND.....WE OPENED OUR GATES TO THEM BEFORE AND PAIED A HUGE PRICE ON SEP. 11 2001...WE NEED NOT ANY MOSLEM IMIGRANTS....NO MORE....WE ALSO NEED TO SWEEP AMERICA AND THE WHOLE WORLD OFF FANATIC MOSLEMS SO OURLIVES MAY BECOME MORE SAFE ..
IN SAKE OF OUR CHILDREN WHO WE ALL WISH THEM A BRIGHT FUTURE,PLEASE CLEAN AMERICA FROM MOSQUES THAT ARE THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF HATE AND VIOLENCE...
SO MANY THINGS HAVE TO BE DONE .....LET US JUST BEGIN....
G O D B L E S S A M E R C A
If you extremist Muslims continue this shit, wait until the day when you push average Americans like myself over the edge, we will say "enough is enough" and we will assemble into militias and kill or disband all Muslims living in our country. Keep this extremist Mohammedian shit up and wait to see what's coming for you.
As long as there are Muslims among us, there are extremists bent on killing us for expressing our rights to free speech. While it may be acceptable to murder someone who decides Islam is not right for them in your backward ass, contribute-nothing-to-the-world countries, it is not acceptable in America.
When was the last time Muslim countries exported anything other than intolerance and hatred? That's right, they've never exported anything but hatred, that's what their death cult endorses, and God's cursed them with poverty and stupidity because of it.
"When was the last time Muslim countries exported anything other than intolerance and hatred? That's right, they've never exported anything but hatred, that's what their death cult endorses, and God's cursed them with poverty and stupidity because of it."
America has exported (in the form of armor piercing weapons) 400 metric tons of radioactive depleted uranium on islamic lands over the past decade. I wonder what curse of poverty and stupidity God has in store for us?