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Thursday, January 28, 2010

[The following is crossposted from JStreetJive]

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Nearly a decade ago, I encountered Howard Zinn on the street in Harvard Square, one of his favorite stomping grounds. I remember the old Brattle Theatre on weekend afternoons in the 1960's where the cognoscenti would wile away their afternoons thumbing through the current issue of World Marxist Review waiting for The Battle of Algiers or The Seventh Seal to start. I asked Howard why he was so indefatigable in his denunciations of Israel. He replied, simply: "I've never hidden the fact that I'm a Jew."

I had just come from a lecture (more like an adulation) of Professor Zinn's in the spring of 2002, a year after U.S. forces entered Afghanistan under Operation Enduring Freedom. He was speaking at the Radcliffe Institute for Advanced Study on the Harvard Campus. His topic, in line with his colleague, Noam Chomsky, was the "genocide" that the United States was perpetrating in that country. 9/11 was still fresh in the minds of most of the nation, but apparently, had quickly faded from memory for most of the assembled fans. Without supplying any evidence whatsoever, Zinn railed against the "latest U.S. imperialist move" to subjugate a native people by "bombing them into the stone age." Such facile comments have been the bread and butter of the New (and old) Left for decades, but that afternoon, one listener was having none of it. A dark-skinned young man raised his hand from the back of the hall. Instantly identifying him as a representative of "The Third World", Zinn called on him first, obviously expecting enthusiastic validation of his thesis. The young man rose determinedly and said, "Professor Zinn, I am a student here at Harvard. I come from Afghanistan. Were it not for the courageous actions of George Bush and American soldiers, my Mother and Sisters would no doubt have been killed by the Taliban."

Needless to say, the room fell silent. Professor Zinn waited what seemed an eternity and quietly said, "I'm sorry you feel that way." One wonders what reply would have come from him had the questioner been a white male.

Having passed that embarrassing moment, Howard moved on to the subject of how the Left in America has always stood for pacifism and resistance to imperialist America's foreign adventures. He cited one of his mentors, Eugene V. Debs and his sojourn in federal prison for refusing to register for the draft during World War I.

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Pete Seeger and the Almanac Singers

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At that point, I raised my hand and asked him the following question: "Professor Zinn, in May of 1941 your friend, Pete Seeger, produced an album called Songs for John Doe which was a collection of blue collar songs that included one called The Ballad of October 16th. [At the time, Pete Seeger had formed his first commercial band called the Almanac Singers.] That song demonstrated yours and Pete's pacifist philosophy by excoriating Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt for urging United States entry into World War II to fight Hitler. Shortly after the album's release, you and Pete were desperately trying to retrieve all the copies to take them out of circulation. Exactly what happened between May and June of 1941 to turn you from devoted anti-war activists into sabre-rattling patriots, resulting in your enlisting in the Army Air Force as a bombardier?"

An angry, bemused pall fell over the room. Someone next to me growled, "Who are you?"

A lengthy silence from Professor Zinn finally ended in a muted response: "Well, we've all made mistakes in our lives." He was referring, of course, to his oft-stated repudiation of his role in World War II as a "death dealer" from on high.

I decided to fill in the rest for the stunned audience. "What you mean is that on June 22, 1941, your country was invaded. And by that, I mean the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. On that date over a million German soldiers poured across the border in what was to prove the largest military aggression in history. Suddenly, Roosevelt became your hero because he was now Stalin's ally. It seems that pacifism has its limits, even for you. And that's how you went from orthodox pacifist to imperialist war monger."

Silence from the Professor. Shouts and threats from the audience. I began to move to the exit. I escaped.

Three years earlier, Howard Zinn recounted what he said to a Jewish audience when asked to speak on the subject of The Holocaust. This is what he said:

"I spoke that evening, but not about the Holocaust of World War II, not about the genocide of six million Jews. It was the mid-Eighties, and the United States government was supporting death squad governments in Central America, so I spoke of the deaths of hundreds of thousands of peasants in Guatemala and El Salvador, victims of American policy. My point was that the memory of the Jewish Holocaust should not be encircled by barbed wire, morally ghettoized, kept isolated from other genocides in history. It seemed to me that to remember what happened to Jews served no important purpose unless it aroused indignation, anger, action against all atrocities, anywhere in the world... Zionists have used the Holocaust, since the 1967 war, to justify further Israeli expansion into Palestinian land"

Bravo, Mr. Zinn. The murder of 6 million of your brothers and sisters functions merely as a metaphor, a road sign pointing to the more significant, real atrocities in your universe - those qualifying as examples of classic, Marxist class struggles. Imagine Howard Zinn speaking before an African American audience on the subject of the Atlantic slave trade and suggesting that it was merely a metaphor, a call to action for the real struggle against the oppression of Guatemalan and Salvadoran peasants.

I can't recall any petition not bearing Howard Zinn's signature advocating a boycott or divestment from Israel.

Incidentally, when he told me that he had "never hidden the fact that he was a Jew", I answered him, "And why would you hide the fact?"

Lyrics to "The Ballad of October 16th"

It was on a Saturday night and the moon was shining bright They passed the conscription bill And the people they did say for many miles away 'Twas the President and his boys on Capitol Hill.

CHORUS:
Oh, Franklin Roosevelt told the people how he felt
We damned near believed what he said
He said, "I hate war, and so does Eleanor
But we won't be safe 'till everybody's dead."
When my poor old mother died I was sitting by her side
A-promising to war I'd never go.
But now I'm wearing khaki jeans and eating army beans
And I'm told that J. P. Morgan loves me so,
I have wandered o'er this land, a roaming working man
No clothes to wear and not much food to eat.
But now the government foots the bill
Gives me clothes and feeds me swill
Gets me shot and puts me underground six feet.

CHORUS

Why nothing can be wrong if it makes our country strong
We got to get tough to save democracy.
And though it may mean war
We must defend Singapore
This don't hurt you half as much as it hurts me.

Listen to the song:

[Howard Zinn died yesterday.]

[Update: The original version of this post stated that Zinn had 'produced' Seeger's album. This was incorrect and has been corrected.]

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18 Comments

Great post. Thanks.

bravo.

I am confused by your post. What was Howard Zinn's connection to the Almanac Singers? I do not see his name listed as a writer of any song on the album, nor as a performer.

I never really understood self hating Jews nor those who glorified deadly totalitarian regimes instead.

In answer, refer to para #5:

At that point, I raised my hand and asked him the following question:

"Professor Zinn, in May of 1941 you and your friend, Pete Seeger, PRODUCED an album called "Songs for John Doe"

Pacifism wasn't limited to the Left, certainly not during WWII.

Some people who opposed to our entry into the war were specifically supporters of fascism, others were isolationists. In fact one of the people who has been outspoken about WWII in hindsight is on the far right - Pat Buchanan. He even wrote a book called "The Unnecessary War."

In any case, the history of pacifism and isolationism is pretty complicated and there are many angles to it. I don't pretend to be an expert but I know enough to be aware of a lot of complexity.

Please don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to start a left/right flame war. But I don't think it's appropriate to ignore all sides of an argument.

Also - pacisim per se is not a bad doctrine when you consider the alternative - do you seriously believe support for violence is a good thing, let alone the glorification of war?

And, there are religious grounds for a pacifist philosophy and one cannot characterize religion per se as left wing, in fact seriously religious people are often more on the conservative side are they not?

Anyway, it may be necessary to fight sometimes, sometimes there is no alternative - but do any of you seriously think war is desireable? That it should be our first option rather than our last?

Can anybody ignore also darker motives than self-defense when discussing war - such as profiteering from death and destruction that could possibly be avoided?

Finally, the Shoah was a nightmare and it was evil - no ifs ands or buts.

However, was Zinn wrong when he said we should ALSO look at the catastrophes that have befallen other people? Certainly Latin America has suffered enormously and we should all study that and not be afraid to acknowledge our role in it, and this includes Haiti which has been in the news lately.

But do you have a source for the statement that Zinn 'produced' this album? I do not see Zinn's name here, for instance. Zinn was 18 years old in 1941.

Ron, you're right. I just talked to Hillel and he is going to clarify/edit. Zinn was a friend of Seeger's and went around trying to collect the albums with him (per Zinn to Stavis directly). He's not near a computer now but will send me an edit with a more accurate description as soon as he's able.

(We regret the error, etc...)

Sophia said...

"Also - pacisim per se is not a bad doctrine when you consider the alternative".

What alternative, slaughter by nazis?

"Do you seriously believe support for violence is a good thing, let alone the glorification of war?"

Glorification of "pacifism" when your opponent wants you dead is INSANITY.

The Jews of 1940s Europe acted like "pacifists", (what choice did they have?) and what did that get them?

Haven't you seen the pictures of Jews being slaughtered, sitting at the edge of a pit with a gun to their head?

"pacifism" is good for your enemy, but bad for you.

Sophia, I don't understand you. Your previous post creeps me out.

I look forward to the correction, but if 'produced' is incorrect, the entire premise of this post is faulty.

Eddie, I said that sometimes it is necessary to fight.

Do you not get the difference between that and a warlike philosophy?

Not really. Whether he was working the knobs on the console or just a supporter and fellow traveler of Seeger's the point remains, but we'll let Hillel clarify.

There are religious grounds for jihad in Islam.

Do you think Islamists would be swayed by Infidel pacifism?

I'd rather profiteer from denying my mortal enemy the victory they crave.

I don't think "pacifist" is the right term. Or at least, it's been used as a fig leaf. These dudes were leftwing isolationists. I don't think they were all that pacific when it came to speaking out against Stalin's crimes.

The post has been edited. The paragraph in question now reads:

At that point, I raised my hand and asked him the following question: "Professor Zinn, in May of 1941 your friend, Pete Seeger, produced an album called Songs for John Doe which was a collection of blue collar songs that included one called The Ballad of October 16th. [At the time, Pete Seeger had formed his first commercial band called the Almanac Singers.] That song demonstrated yours and Pete's pacifist philosophy by excoriating Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt for urging United States entry into World War II to fight Hitler. Shortly after the album's release, you and Pete were desperately trying to retrieve all the copies to take them out of circulation. Exactly what happened between May and June of 1941 to turn you from devoted anti-war activists into, sabre-rattling patriots resulting in your enlisting in the Army Air Force as a bombardier?"

By the way, in a recent exchange with Ron Radosh, Seeger earned some respect for expressing regret for his support of Stalin in those days (see: http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archive/2007/08/seeger-sings-of-stalin/index.shtml ). Did Zinn ever pronounce a break from those early days?

These dudes were leftwing isolationists. --- g


Incorrect, these dudes werent pacifists, they werent neutrals. They chose their sides, and fought to promote them, which meant and means sabotaging the US and the West's opposition to the Revolution.

I just heard the news today of Zinn's death and will be having some celebratory cocktails on the occassion. That dude is a poisonous snake.

Unfortunately, Pete Seeger was celebrated on PBS last year, Birthday Concert in Central Park.

Their legacy continues...and sustained firm opposition, by any means necessary.

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