There is a basic difference between a Jewish state and an Argentinean or an Iranian state.

A Jew can become or be an Argentinean or Iranian without having to convert to Catholicism or to Islam, but an Argentinean or an Iranian (unless already Jewish) must convert to Judaism in order to be or to become a Jew.

The Jewish state as envisioned by Zionists of the 30s is not exactly the same as the concept of an Aryan state as envisioned by the German Nazis of the 30s but it is very close, and the German Nazi government did have a concept of Aryanization so that a person of questionable biological heritage could become a full citizen of the German Aryan state.

The ethnonational aspect of Jewish identity is characteristic of Eastern European ethnic Ashkenazim who reinterpreted the Eastern European Ashkenazi ethnic group as the pan-Judaic ethnonational group in order to justify the theft of Palestine and the genocide of the native population.

It is fairly easy to find ethnic Ashkenazi (and German Jewish) writers and scholars of the late 19th and early 20th century, who state unequivocally of non-Ashkenazim or non-German Jews, "Mi>zei zeynen nit yidn vi mir." In general Ashkenazi and German Jewish Zionists considered non-European Jews poor or inferior material upon which to build the racist Zionist state until they realized that they could not hold stolen Palestine without cannon fodder and an ersatz native collaborator population.

Murderous genocidal ethnic Ashkenazi racists plotted the genocide of the native Palestinian population for 65 years before they carried it out (and in between Soviet ethnic Ashkenazim perpetrated horrendous ethnic cleansing, mass murder and genocide for the sake of the Communist revolution, which they, of course, expected to lead).

From Overcoming Zionism by Joel Kovel,

Thus Vladimir Dubnow, in 1882: "The ultimate goal is, in time, to take over the Land of Israel and to restore to the Jews the political independence they have been deprived of for these two thousand years ... The Jews will yet arise and, arms in hand (if need be), declare that they are the masters of their ancient homeland."

Well, I double-posted and managed to delete the one of the two that had three comments. I see Joachim has already reposted his. Here are the other two I inadvertently deleted:

From Joanne:
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These Arab commentators purposely ignore the fact that Judaism is not just a religious identity, but a cultural and ethnic one, too. Herzl wasn't
religious, and neither were many of the early Zionists. I guess these Arabs figured out that, given the secularism in the West, they would get a lot of propaganda mileage by portraying Israel as a theocracy. It's the "Judaism is just a religion" gambit. The religion is a major part of the religious heritage, sure, but being Jewish is not just a matter of belief.
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From Y:
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Article (2)
Palestine is part of the Arab nation. The state of Palestine abides by the charter of the League of Arab States. The Palestinian people are part of the Arab and Islamic nations. Arab unity is a goal, the Palestinian people hopes to achieve.

Article (5)
Arabic and Islam are the official Palestinian language and religion.

Article (7)
The principles of Islamic Shari?a are a major source for legislation.
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It is also a bit of lunacy to imagine identity, whether personal/individual identity or national identity, is not formative in substantial part upon "religious" foundations along with the ethical/moral outlooks which, likewise in substantial part, stem from those foundations - in quotes in order to be more encompassing than a narrow conception of the term might otherwise suggest. We do not have positive knowledge, rationally/empirically understood, of reality; aporias are an elemental and inextricable aspect of the human condition. Pretenders and presumptives pretend and presume otherwise, but that's precisely what they do and that's precisely who they are.

Oops, should read: "We do not have positive knowledge, rationally/empirically understood, of reality in toto; aporias are an elemental and inextricable aspect of the human condition."

Oops, where I said that "religion is a major part of the religious heritage," I just meant to say that religion is a major part of Jewish cultural heritage. Sorry about that.

If Palestinians recognizes Israel as a jewish state, then any jew that lives anywhere in the world can come back to Israel after (2000 years) and claim their land.
on the other hand the phalastenian that was kicked from his land 20 or 50 years ago by israel cant come back.

the fact that some Israeliens say Judaism is not just a religious identity, but a cultural and ethnic one doesnt give them the right to claim Israel as a jewish state. because 80% of the jews where in russia and poland, and when they travelled to america or Israel (in the 1940 -50) the hold the culture of the Ashkenazi culture. which is diffrenet than the rest of the jews living in yemen or argentina or africa.

PaleSWINE already exists. It's called Jordan..

Infact so-called PaleSWINIANS even have a King and a Queen. Kind Abdullah and Queen Rania.

I wonder whether joachim matilda or arabian00 can tell us how many churches are in saudi arabia, former home of 15 of the 19 islamofascists of 9/11 infamy? Or how tall is the Christmas tree in Saudi Arabia?

Y is quoting the Palestinian Constitution (http://www.jmcc.org/documents/palestineconstitution-eng.pdf).

Here are the full versions.

Article (2)
Palestine is part of the Arab nation. The state of Palestine abides by the charter of the League of Arab States. The Palestinian people are part of the Arab and Islamic nations. Arab unity is a goal, the Palestinian people hopes to achieve.

Article (5)
Arabic and Islam are the official Palestinian language and religion. Christianity and all other monotheistic religions shall be equally revered nd respected. The Constitution guarantees equality in rights and duties to all citizens irrespective of their religious belief.

Article (7)
The principles of Islamic Shari’a are a major source for legislation. Civil and religious matters of the followers of monotheistic religions shall be organized in accordance with their religious teachings and denominations within the framework of law, while preserving the unity and independence of the Palestinian people.

The draft Palestinian Constitution is part of the liberal democratic tradition to which the Zionist State does not belong.

Article (2) in Arabic clearly uses nation in a non-ethnic non-racial sense unlike the usuage of Jews when they refer to the Jewish people. In this phrase, people is a translation of the German word Volk in the German Nazi ethnoracial sense.

Article (5) gives Palestine an official language and religion. So? the UK has an official language and religion, but non-Anglophone non-Anglican citizens are just as much British as Anglophone Anglicans. In contrast non-Jewish citizens of the Jewish state are not part of the organic body of the nation by definition.

Article (7) is a slightly convoluted way of stating that legislation should be made by consensus and reason (the only applicable principles of Islamic jurisprudence for an elected legislature). From the standpoint of the Arab cultural heritage, it makes sense to express this idea in this phraseology. Arabs sometimes find idiomatic English expression likewise peculiar or confusing.

"If Palestinians recognizes Israel as a jewish state, then any jew that lives anywhere in the world can come back to Israel after (2000 years) and claim their land. on the other hand the phalastenian that was kicked from his land 20 or 50 years ago by israel cant come back."

There are so many counters to these types of statements that it boggles the mind and frustrates only and precisely due to the sheer number of relevant replies that are available.

For example, Israel is a state wherein appx. 20% of the population remains Arab, largely Arab Muslim. By contrast any conceived state that might be labeled "Palestine" will forcibly exclude any and all Jewish peoples, no exceptions whatsoever. This sharp and sharply telling contrast is not and has never been an aspect of any Israeli negotiation ploy and bargaining tactic, instead it's simply taken as a matter of fact and a matter of course in all the negotiations that have taken place.

Then there's the issue of 900,000 Jewish refugees, along with their progeny, from surrounding Arab states. This too is merely taken for granted. Why? Because those refugees were responsible and honorable citizens of their re-located homes and of the globe at large, that's why. And that honorable behavior serves as a stark and telling contrast with the subject matter at hand, the citizens of Arafatistan, or Hamasistan, or whatever they and the MSM might choose as a politically more expedient label, i.e. "Palestine."

Then there's the post-WWII and post-holocaust factor, including the active participation and leadership and partnership with Himmler/Hitler of Amin al-Husseini, not to mention al-Husseini's corrupting and malevolent leadership prior to his pact with Himmler/Hitler, since the Arab riots of 1920, immediately after the formation of the formal Mandate period.

Etc.

The Islamofascist terrorist encampment called paleswine demonstrates its commitment to "law and order" during the gunfight between fatah and hamas at the yassir arafat memorial.

Arabian19,

Are you saying that Palestinians should come and live inside Israel while Jews are not allowed ????

Palestinians will be able to have a homeland in Gaza and west bank and gaza while Jews will have a homeland in israel

what is so wrong in this concept (unles of course you want all of israel tobelong to Palestinians) ?

Arabian19's Ashkenazi-Zionist meme should alert readers here that he is working for Martillo's propaganda machine. They are like the Borg, on Star Trek..

noga

What are you saying!
I don't work for a machine nor I work for a factory.

martillo i believe posts in this site but I assure you I don't have any relation to him.

Arabian17: Let's just say the fluctuations in your command of the English language and your choice of well-known antisemitic tropes highly favoured by Martillo do not sustain your credibility as an authentic voice.

Sorry. I meant Arabian19, of course..

noga

dont try to be so detailed on those aspects...
i am weak in writing....yes..thats becuase english is a second language to me.

and I am not using antisemitic words and please keep your illusions to yourself.
I am just posting my opinion on aspects that affect me as an Arabic citizen in this world... so don't try to start a side war on me just because I have different point of view.

It is clear from your opinions that details are hardly something you concern yourself with, Arabian 19. AS, for example, that 80% of Israel's Jews are ashkenazi. This is Martillo's land of make belief. Your disdain for the details of recorded truth as well as repetition of his favourite meme (Ashkenazi, Zionist bla bla bla) indicate that you two are feeding from the same great central mind.

You can have a different point of view, but you can't advance lies and myths and expect to be taken as a reliable interlocuter. There are some standards to observe in a discussion. Lies do not make that standard.