The fact that nobody who supports BO wants to allow the discussion is what makes it so interesting.

I assume that when you file the paperwork their is a rather hefty packet of information you need to provide...with a US birth certificate being one. It is a stipulation for the job.

The discussion should be "the Congress says it's ok to run for Presiedent, who do you need to see my birth certificate." My guess is the "Obama's not really a US citizen" folks are not "just interested". It's political and a non-issues. Let's get back to the issues.

Breaking News: Identity Discovered on Birth Certificate, NOT Obama's name

The SMOKING GUN IS NOW ON FIRE. Check it out at:
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/

Obama's mother's original Social Security Number Application

http://webofdeception.com/obamamother'sssapplication.html

#2 David:

The discussion should be "the Congress says it's ok to run for Presiedent, who do you need to see my birth certificate." My guess is the "Obama's not really a US citizen" folks are not "just interested". It's political and a non-issues. Let's get back to the issues.

It's not Congress that approves candidates for federal offices but the state's election authorities. He must present his bona fides to the states' Electoral Boards or Commissions and/or the Secretaries of State.

Political? Yes. Non-issue? Hardly.

The Obamaniacs say "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" even as forensics experts in forged documents have conclusively demonstrated that various versions of Obama's Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth as posted on the Daily KOS -- when were they ever a reliable source? -- and to Obamessiah's damage control web site are rank frauds. It appears his original birth certificate is Indonesian, and that he may still be an Indonesian.

Based on the evidence of his birth certificates there may be challenges at the state level over Obambi's eligibility to serve if he's elected. The Constitutional requirements for the office are very few -- native born American and at least age 36. Usually there is no question over the candidate's having met them; certifying a candidate is usually a pro-forma affair. After all, who would enter the race if they're not able to serve in the office? Obambi, that's who. Of course, once the legality of his candidacy is challenged, state courts and possibly federal courts will be involved.

The Obamanation's eligibility for the office is very much an issue in light of recent developments, the forensic evidence of forged CoLBs. Until now, there was no proof, and we just took his word for it. Sorry, but that's not good enough.

The trope of "X is just a distraction. Let's get back to the issues" is a dodge that Obama and his surrogates use all the time. Whether Barack Hussein was properly registered as a US Citizen at the time of his birth and under what name are material points that affect his eligiblity for the Presidency. That's not a dodge but a real issue. To avoid embarrassment, the dummycrats should not try to browbeat those who raise these questions but look into them, and, if necessary, find another candidate before their convention.

Check out lawyer Judah Benjamin's article (Obama: A Disaster Waiting to Happen, Legal Challenges Imminent?) on some of the complexities raising challenges with the States' election boards. Every state has its own rules. Some use a criminal model (proof beyond a reasonable doubt), others a civil procedure (proof based on the preponderance of the evidence).

By the way, there is no US Constitutional requirement for states to conduct elections or, if they do, to have the electors. In some states, the electors' votes are divided in proportion to the outcome of the popular vote. In others, it's winner take all.

Our Federal government is a federation of the states, where the population is not distributed evenly among the states. The Electoral College is a beautiful accommodation to the tension between states and population. Some people call for direct election of the President by the people, claiming that the Electoral College is not democratic. That's partially true, but it's more democratic than the Senate, where each state is represented by two Senators regardless of the state's population, territory or economic output.

IMHO, the Electoral College has served us well, and I don't see a pressing need to amend the Constitution to abolish it in favor of direct election. In any case, amending the Constitution is a long, arduous process. Less populous states will probably want to keep the status quo, because in relation to their population, they are disproportionately represented in the Electoral College, and it's unlikely they want to lose influence. My guess is that the move to abolish the EC comes from large-population Blue states. It is billed as a progressive move, making the choice of President more democratic (but less respectful of the fact that the US is a federation of States).

On a separate matterm John McCain's celebrity ad presented the Barack-star as the world's greatest celebrity, comparing him to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton, two airheads famous for being celebrities. Apart from being funny, the ad raises the important question of whether he's qualified for the office. His chief qualifications certainly appear to be that he's a hunk, a charismatic speaker and a very popular celebrity; they really love him in Germany.

His celeb status is not based on his experience or achievements -- how could it be? In the time he's "served" in the Senate, about 150 work days -- at least half of them spent campaigning -- he did not call any hearings or sponsor any legislation. When it came to doing his job as US Senator, he basically just mailed it in, maybe eating lunch in one of the Senate's dining rooms that were just reported to have been losing millions of dollars a year at the taxpayers' expense. Empty-suit Obama is just as shallow and superficial as the air-head bimbos shown in the ad. Yesterday on "Meet the Press," John Kerry trotted out the Obameister's other standard response to criticism, namely that the ad is racist. Huh? I don't get it. Can someone please explain that to me?

The celebrity ad is not a distraction from the issues; it highlights fundamental shortcomings in the man's resumé and raises the very important question of whether he's qualified to be President. Is he ready to lead? Lemme see now: no experience, bad ideas and poor judgment. Add it all up, and it sounds like the answer is a clear, resounding "No."

I can only assume the state election board did their due dilegence. That information is useful. Thanks for that.

The rest of the post sounds like Jay Sevren riff gone bad.

Not that there's really any point in putting this up here, considering the sort of people who read this blog. But, in the interests of truth, this FactCheck article puts the issue to rest:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

I suppose there will always be die-hards who see conspiracies everywhere, whose hatred of "liberals" and Obama is their upper-most priority. ("FactCheck is a *liberal* rag!") Nothing will change their minds. But for the rest of us...

FAQ on Obama birth certificate
http://sites.google.com/site/obamabirth/

Below are two official emails that dispute the public version of Obama’s Birth and his mother’s marriage to BHO Sr.

From: pubrec@u.washington.edu [mailto:pubrec@u.washington.edu]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008
Subject: Re: Stanley "Ann" Dunham 1960 to 1970 class registration

Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham (BHO II’s mom) was enrolled at the University of Washington for:

Autumn 1961
Winter 1962
Spring 1962

The records responsive to your request from the University of Washington are above as provided by the Public Disclosure Laws of Washington State. This concludes the University’s response to your Public Records request. Please feel free to contact our office if you have any questions or concerns.

Madolyne Lawson
Office of Public Records
206-543-9180

From: Stuart Lau [mailto:stuartl@hawaii.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008
Subject: Re: Inquiry

The University of Hawaii at Manoa is only able to provide the following information for Stanley Ann Dunham:
Dates of attendance:
Fall 1960 (First day of instruction 9/26/1960)
Spring 1963 - Summer 1966
Fall 1972 - Fall 1974
Summer 1976
Spring 1978
Fall 1984 - Summer 1992

Degrees awarded:
BA - Mathematics, Summer 1967 (August 6, 1967)
MA - Anthropology, Fall 1983 (December 18, 1983)
PhD - Anthropology, Summer 1992 (August 9, 1992)

Sincerely, Stuart Lau
****************************************
Stuart Lau
University Registrar
Office of Admissions and Records
University of Hawaii at Manoa
Ph: (808) 956-8010
****************************************

Commentary on University Emails:

For the BHO II Hawaiian Aug 4 1961 COLB to be accurate the following improbable events needed to occur:

1 month after starting classes, Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack’s mom, at age 17, got pregnant by the only black African man on the entire chain of Hawaiian islands.
2 months after getting pregnant, she drops out of college.
3 months after getting pregnant, she marries BHO Sr.
10 months after her first day at the U of HI, she delivers BHO II and immediately leaves her parents, her new husband, and her home, to fly alone with a newborn 2800 miles to Seattle to start college at the U of W.
Stanley Ann Dunham does not return to Hawaii until AFTER BHO Sr left the islands for Harvard.

This is an implausible series of events made even more nefarious because Obama II in his 2 bio books never mentions his mom left Hawaii when she was married to BHO Sr, nor does he mention she was in Washington State during this time.

Barack’s sister was born in Indonesia, and has a COLB from Hawaii like Obama II. She is NOT a “Natural Born Citizen” of the USA as required by the Constitution to become president…and Obama probably isn’t either.

Below are two official emails that dispute the public version of Obama’s Birth and his mother’s marriage to BHO Sr.

From: pubrec@u.washington.edu [mailto:pubrec@u.washington.edu]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008
Subject: Re: Stanley "Ann" Dunham 1960 to 1970 class registration

Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham (BHO II’s mom) was enrolled at the University of Washington for:

Autumn 1961
Winter 1962
Spring 1962

The records responsive to your request from the University of Washington are above as provided by the Public Disclosure Laws of Washington State. This concludes the University’s response to your Public Records request. Please feel free to contact our office if you have any questions or concerns.

Madolyne Lawson
Office of Public Records
206-543-9180

From: Stuart Lau [mailto:stuartl@hawaii.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008
Subject: Re: Inquiry

The University of Hawaii at Manoa is only able to provide the following information for Stanley Ann Dunham:
Dates of attendance:
Fall 1960 (First day of instruction 9/26/1960)
Spring 1963 - Summer 1966
Fall 1972 - Fall 1974
Summer 1976
Spring 1978
Fall 1984 - Summer 1992

Degrees awarded:
BA - Mathematics, Summer 1967 (August 6, 1967)
MA - Anthropology, Fall 1983 (December 18, 1983)
PhD - Anthropology, Summer 1992 (August 9, 1992)

Sincerely, Stuart Lau
****************************************
Stuart Lau
University Registrar
Office of Admissions and Records
University of Hawaii at Manoa
Ph: (808) 956-8010
****************************************

Commentary on University Emails:

For the BHO II Hawaiian Aug 4 1961 COLB to be accurate the following improbable events needed to occur:

1 month after starting classes, Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack’s mom, at age 17, got pregnant by the only black African man on the entire chain of Hawaiian islands.
2 months after getting pregnant, she drops out of college.
3 months after getting pregnant, she marries BHO Sr.
10 months after her first day at the U of HI, she delivers BHO II and immediately leaves her parents, her new husband, and her home, to fly alone with a newborn 2800 miles to Seattle to start college at the U of W.
Stanley Ann Dunham does not return to Hawaii until AFTER BHO Sr left the islands for Harvard.

This is an implausible series of events made even more nefarious because Obama II in his 2 bio books never mentions his mom left Hawaii when she was married to BHO Sr, nor does he mention she was in Washington State during this time.

Barack’s sister was born in Indonesia, and has a COLB from Hawaii like Obama II. She is NOT a “Natural Born Citizen” of the USA as required by the Constitution to become president…and Obama probably isn’t either.