I just spent an hour googling “BNP Antwerp” and “BNP Antwerp Dewinter” trying to find other press reports than Australian ones about the “alliance” between VB and BNP. Found nothing.
Nothing at the BNP website either. You would imagine that the BNP would mention their “alliance” with the VB, wouldn’t you?
Since when are Australian MSM reports authoritative sources about Belgium? Australia!! No place can be further away from Antwerp.
The party [Vlaams Belang] does not have the manpower to react to every piece of misinformation written in MSM, certainly not it they are as far away as the antipodes in Australia. Not even American parties, who are far richer than the VB, engage in PR activities of this scale.
Since I am not paid by the party to do this, I cannot do it either.
Moreover, I fear that the VB is not interested in what the Australian press writes. Their only worry is to win elections in Belgium.
If one screens all the papers of the world it is easy to come up on a daily basis with some piece of disinformation.
You are not wrong if you write that the BNP is not part of the CaI group.
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However, I do not know how many people attended the meeting, which was a public presentation as well as an open press conference, and who they were. Bart Debie told me that there was an uninvited Brit, who might have told an Australian journalist that he was a BNP member.
I find it strange, however, that (as far as I know) the British press has not written anything about this. Doesn’t that strike you as odd?
Remember that the VB, with 25% of the Flemish electorate, is one of the most successful of the counterjihadist (and pro-Israeli) parties in Europe. It would be a major victory for the Jihadists if they can destroy the party. You are aware as well, I think, that Jihadists with Saudi money are currently buying stakes in the major MSM.
For all we know the Brit may have been an agent provocateur. Or he may have been a genuine BNP member who just came to have a look. Perhaps as a private person or perhaps on behalf of his party.
I repeat, again, that only four political parties belong to CaI:
The VB, the Austrian FPÖ (which is no longer Haider’s party), the Alsatian regionalists and the Cologne city party. Only these four parties spoke at the press conference in Antwerp.
CaI aims to establish a network of local politicians from a municipal level. The cities involved in the network are cities with a strong counter-jihadist representation on the municipal level: Antwerp (VB), Vienna (FPÖ), Strasbourg (Alsace) and Cologne (Germany).
Cities with BNP or FN representation had not been invited and were not present because the group is pro-Israel as well as anti-Muslim.
I think that bloggers should be more careful in checking their sources when parroting what the MSM write. If not, they will soon lose all credibility — as is already the case with some blogs as far as I am concerned.
(By the way: the Australian paper also says that parties from Denmark and Italy were present. This isn’t true either. Radio Netherlands is more accurate and does not mention the BNP at all.)
Well, BNP's splinter group Voice of Change was obviously there. They have a photo and a report on their website. And they say:
The fight back against the colonising of Europe by radical Islam received a welcome boost yesterday with the launch of a new pan-continent group "Cities against Islamisation".
The press launch announcing the new group took place in the northern Belgian city of Antwerp by Filip Dewinter, head of the nationalist Vlaams Belang (Flemish Interest) along with Austrian FPOE leader Heinz-Christian Strace and Robert Spieler of the regionalist Alsace First group.
Nationalists from Britain, Denmark, Germany and Italy were also represented at the launch of the group which has a road-sign-style crossed-out mosque as its logo. The main thrust of the group?s agenda is to stop councils granting planning permission for the building and conversion of existing buildings into mosques and Islamic centres.
I no longer know what, very precisely, to read in all this concerning VB, though I continue to suspect Fjordman is far closer to the mark than others, based on what I read only, from afar. Regardless, given the failure of establishment or mainstream parties to deal with the issue of Islamization, it is inevitable that phenomena like this are going to occur (e.g., BNP) and, moreso, are going to be perceived as occurring due to political dynamics outside of establishment/mainstream bases where more volatility is part of the equation almost by definition.
Oppose any racialist based political interests, absolutely and certainly, but if one is not also and just as forcefully criticizing the mainstream/establishment parties for their failures (e.g., vis-a-vis various multi-culti assumptions and interests), then one is trading in a certain coin while pretending the obverse side of that same coin is somehow not part of the bargain.
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Nor do we need mischaracterizations due to ommisions:
From
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2008/01/cities-against-islamization.html
I just spent an hour googling “BNP Antwerp” and “BNP Antwerp Dewinter” trying to find other press reports than Australian ones about the “alliance” between VB and BNP. Found nothing.
Nothing at the BNP website either. You would imagine that the BNP would mention their “alliance” with the VB, wouldn’t you?
Since when are Australian MSM reports authoritative sources about Belgium? Australia!! No place can be further away from Antwerp.
The party [Vlaams Belang] does not have the manpower to react to every piece of misinformation written in MSM, certainly not it they are as far away as the antipodes in Australia. Not even American parties, who are far richer than the VB, engage in PR activities of this scale.
Since I am not paid by the party to do this, I cannot do it either.
Moreover, I fear that the VB is not interested in what the Australian press writes. Their only worry is to win elections in Belgium.
If one screens all the papers of the world it is easy to come up on a daily basis with some piece of disinformation.
You are not wrong if you write that the BNP is not part of the CaI group.
- - - - - - - - -
However, I do not know how many people attended the meeting, which was a public presentation as well as an open press conference, and who they were. Bart Debie told me that there was an uninvited Brit, who might have told an Australian journalist that he was a BNP member.
I find it strange, however, that (as far as I know) the British press has not written anything about this. Doesn’t that strike you as odd?
Remember that the VB, with 25% of the Flemish electorate, is one of the most successful of the counterjihadist (and pro-Israeli) parties in Europe. It would be a major victory for the Jihadists if they can destroy the party. You are aware as well, I think, that Jihadists with Saudi money are currently buying stakes in the major MSM.
For all we know the Brit may have been an agent provocateur. Or he may have been a genuine BNP member who just came to have a look. Perhaps as a private person or perhaps on behalf of his party.
I repeat, again, that only four political parties belong to CaI:
The VB, the Austrian FPÖ (which is no longer Haider’s party), the Alsatian regionalists and the Cologne city party. Only these four parties spoke at the press conference in Antwerp.
CaI aims to establish a network of local politicians from a municipal level. The cities involved in the network are cities with a strong counter-jihadist representation on the municipal level: Antwerp (VB), Vienna (FPÖ), Strasbourg (Alsace) and Cologne (Germany).
Cities with BNP or FN representation had not been invited and were not present because the group is pro-Israel as well as anti-Muslim.
I think that bloggers should be more careful in checking their sources when parroting what the MSM write. If not, they will soon lose all credibility — as is already the case with some blogs as far as I am concerned.
(By the way: the Australian paper also says that parties from Denmark and Italy were present. This isn’t true either. Radio Netherlands is more accurate and does not mention the BNP at all.)
My concern is less with that meeting and more in agreement with Spencer's statements about racism and the anti-Jihad movement generally.
Well, BNP's splinter group Voice of Change was obviously there. They have a photo and a report on their website. And they say:
I no longer know what, very precisely, to read in all this concerning VB, though I continue to suspect Fjordman is far closer to the mark than others, based on what I read only, from afar. Regardless, given the failure of establishment or mainstream parties to deal with the issue of Islamization, it is inevitable that phenomena like this are going to occur (e.g., BNP) and, moreso, are going to be perceived as occurring due to political dynamics outside of establishment/mainstream bases where more volatility is part of the equation almost by definition.
Oppose any racialist based political interests, absolutely and certainly, but if one is not also and just as forcefully criticizing the mainstream/establishment parties for their failures (e.g., vis-a-vis various multi-culti assumptions and interests), then one is trading in a certain coin while pretending the obverse side of that same coin is somehow not part of the bargain.